Daseal's Random Thoughts:

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The bogus PI call on Smoot really ticked me off. Toomer clearly pushed off.

I didn't understand the non-calls on Jacobs and on Pierce later on when he got in that scuffle with Kendall. Both of them clearly started shit right in front of a ref no less. I don't get it.

I've been watching the Skins for years and that just seems typical of the ref's. I remember years ago when Jeff George was our quarterback. Dallas sacked him, then the guy grabbed him by the jersey right below his neck and dragged him down the field 3-5 yards while he celebrated. No flag. It blows my mind.

[EternalEnigma21]

My random thought: I wonder if pepper jack cheese would be good melted over a bratwurst...


ARE is unnerving as a punt returner, I agree. I was concerned about the lack of execution by our starters inm preseason. I really hope they put it together. They've got a lot of work to do on offense. It looks like they didn't have much of a camp... You'd think they'd have come in with some sort of gameplan to match their development... That's Zorns fault.

[BDBohnzie]

EE21 - it is good...

The drops on both sides of the ball have to stop.

Put James Thrash back to take punts.

And figure out how to run a 2 minute offense late in the game.

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

EE21 - it is good...

The drops on both sides of the ball have to stop.

Put James Thrash back to take punts.

And figure out how to run a 2 minute offense late in the game.

Put Thrash out with the trash...

[EternalEnigma21]

Yeah the moss catch was bs. He didn't have the ball until after he was touched.

[Paintrain]

great call on ARE.. He drives me nuts back there.. Run the direction the ball came from, it's not that hard!

The refs were pretty bad on some of the extra curriculars for sure. Jacobs should have gotten 15 yds for that slap and Pierce for the Kendall scrape.. The PI in the endzone was garbage also.. I think since Moss was hit and went to the ground, even before possession, that was the correct call.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

great call on ARE.. He drives me nuts back there.. Run the direction the ball came from, it's not that hard!

The refs were pretty bad on some of the extra curriculars for sure. Jacobs should have gotten 15 yds for that slap and Pierce for the Kendall scrape.. The PI in the endzone was garbage also.. I think since Moss was hit and went to the ground, even before possession, that was the correct call.

A player is not down by contact if he did not establish posession on the catch, gets hit, and is bobbling the ball on the way down. Once Moss gained possession on his back, he should have been free to get up an run UNLESS he was touched down AFTER gaining posession. The refs have been coached to avoid the quick whistle since that voids replay in that situation. They blew the call, plain and simple.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

A player is not down by contact if he did not establish posession on the catch, gets hit, and is bobbling the ball on the way down. Once Moss gained possession on his back, he should have been free to get up an run UNLESS he was touched down AFTER gaining posession. The refs have been coached to avoid the quick whistle since that voids replay in that situation. They blew the call, plain and simple.

Absolutely right. This is not college.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

A player is not down by contact if he did not establish posession on the catch, gets hit, and is bobbling the ball on the way down. Once Moss gained possession on his back, he should have been free to get up an run UNLESS he was touched down AFTER gaining posession. The refs have been coached to avoid the quick whistle since that voids replay in that situation. They blew the call, plain and simple.

yeah that was a weird play. moss clearly didnt have possession until after contact and he then wedged it against his butt check and brought it in, then he should have been able to get up and take it to the house. I was screaming for moss to keep running but the whistle had blown. Just such a weird play I cant really blame the refs but im still scratching my head on when exactly the refs thought he had possession to count as a catch then consider him down by contact?

i know refs were instructed to not blow the quick whistle on potential fumble/down by contact plays a few years ago but this play was like david tyree but moss used his butt cheek.

smoot PI play, i didnt see smoot with his head turned toward the ball. to me he def made/initiated contact with toomer without having his eye on the ball. pretty easy call but i do hope they call offensive pushing off more because TO (like most big good wrs) loves doing that in the endzone and it is sooooooo frustrating to watch.

go skins!

[MTK]

Sorry but a push off is a push off, regardless of who initiated the contact. The PI call was complete horseshit. You can't shove a guy to the ground.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sorry but a push off is a push off, regardless of who initiated the contact. The PI call was complete horseshit. You can't shove a guy to the ground.

So you're saying it's OK to run into the WR to tie him up and that should be a non call?????

For the record, I would have prefered a double penalty on that call, but I understand the call cause the refs protect the WR...we all know this.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

So you're saying it's OK to run into the WR to tie him up and that should be a non call?????

For the record, I would have prefered a double penalty on that call, but I understand the call cause the refs protect the WR...we all know this.

I didn't think the initial contact between them was that significant to draw a penalty. Toomer clearly pushed off and that should have been flagged.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

So you're saying it's OK to run into the WR to tie him up and that should be a non call?????

For the record, I would have prefered a double penalty on that call, but I understand the call cause the refs protect the WR...we all know this.

I have to agree with you on this. When I watched the play, it was clear that Smoot was running into Toomer before/at the same time as he started pushing off. Smoot sucked out loud last night.

[SUNRA]

Did anyone record the Indy Hall of Fame game or the Buffalo game? The offense we saw yesterday had none of the aggressive playcallling we saw in those games. It seems the problems with JC and the offense began with the Jets. The first two drives were horrid and it took a rookie to manage the clock and throw a TD. I'm not calling for Brennan, but what Brennan does have off the back is the ability to read the blitz and get the ball out as fast as possible. JC must improve within the ten days or he will feel the raft of many people including myself who understands this is a new offense but he has to react quicker and make better decisions under pressure. Let's just hope Zorn and JC can work this thing out before Dallas in three weeks because the score won't be pretty.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Did anyone record the Indy Hall of Fame game or the Buffalo game? The offense we saw yesterday had none of the aggressive playcallling we saw in those games. It seems the problems with JC and the offense began with the Jets. The first two drives were horrid and it took a rookie to manage the clock and throw a TD. I'm not calling for Brennan, but what Brennan does have off the back is the ability to read the blitz and get the ball out as fast as possible. JC must improve within the ten days or he will feel the raft of many people including myself who understands this is a new offense but he has to react quicker and make better decisions under pressure. Let's just hope Zorn and JC can work this thing out before Dallas in three weeks because the score won't be pretty.

Yes and I totally agree with you.