Don't you think we are overreacting just a bit??

[safety blitz]

Its just frustrating because we looked so good in the first to preseason games and we got to excited, when we all knew it was probably going to be like this till we get the new system down. But that first half, I was about to say get the gunslinger brennan in there sometimes you got to go with the hot hand, and he has it. Its like Madden has said a couple of times he just brings some kind energy to the huddle. Not saying lets dump JC cause I think he will be a good QB, but if he is struggling let him sit out a few downs to get his thoughts together. Whats it going to hurt! The thing that bugs me is our offense, we got to put up 35 points a game to go anywhere. I just want a dominating team like we used to have, when we would beat most of the league, a long time ago.

[70Chip]

I haven't had to overreact because I saw this coming and got it all out of my system beforehand.

It's not that bad. They can win some games. I think Zorn needs to focus more on matchups in his game planning. Find the defenses weak link and pick on him. Sometimes you get so caught up in trying to establish your identity, you lose focus. Flexibility is important too. I think Bruce Lee has some good thoughts in this area. Let the opponent dictate how you defeat him.

As fans, once we accept that this team will have to struggle for everything, we can begin to actually root for them again. They're just not going to dominate. If that's what your into, this is not the team.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Just look within the division. I don't see anyone on our offense that can take over the game like Burress or TO can. Cooley is a nice player. No doubt. But I'd probably take Witten over Cooley. Portis is a top ten back. No question. But he's not as good as Westbrook. He's not the duel threat like Westbrook is. And Davis may be good in the future but right now he's just an unproven rookie. And where it matters most, at the Qb position, JC is the worst QB within the division. He can't carry us yet, he's only shown flashes. But what we gave up to get him I expect him to be able to carry us at times. Right now his head is probably spining and he's thinking instead of reacting.

Dude, you've got me LMOA. Not laughing at you so don't take this the wrong way but I've never heard Chris Cooley described as a nice player. Shit, just saying that out loud makes me crack up. Cooley has been under-utilized even in his best season, and has shown the talent and athleticism to take over a game. He's a phenom in waiting IMO and I'm hoping Zorn and Co. can hash out a game-plan that let's Cooley be the dominant offensive force he should be.

You could be right about Westbrook over CP but isn't it impossible to say since Westbrook has been blessed in Philly w/ an offensive genius for an HC. CP has been far less fortunate in his path w/ the exception of his brief stint in Denver. More to the point, try thinking about what CP would have done in Westbrook's circumstances. I still think CP can take over a game and it's up to Zorn and the offensive line to give him the opportunity w/ play-calling and decent blocking.

On to Davis, if Zorn and the FO spent a 2nd round pick on the most prolific TE in college ball last year just so he could spend his time blocking we might as well call it a season. Dude showed awesome hands and almost WR like ability to run routes and make defenders miss. If we don't find a way to incorporate him in the offense as a downfield target it looks like the worst pick of the draft.

But here's where we agree - JC is the worst QB in the division (assuming Dono is back to his old self). That is a shitty reality for us, but I'm not ready to say JC is just a shitty QB. He's shown flashes and now he needs to settle into the WCO. Hopefully his experience in the WC from senior year @ Auburn will start to pay dividends. Hopefully he progresses quick enough that we won't have to right '08 off.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by KWilly_2003

Thank you GMScud. It took two years for Hasselbeck to become a top QB. JC just needs time. And for those who said Zorn lays the blame on the players is not true. He said right off the bat that he wishs he had plays back, and that the clock managment was bad. Hes new to this too people. Football is a little bit harder down on the field then it is in your PS3 people. Gibbs went 0-5 in his first 5 games in 1981, to later finish 8-8......then next year.....hummmm....

I don't mean to be rude, but that 0-5 to 8-8 analogy about Gibbs is getting old. Gibbs had everything going for him then: HOF talent, a great owner and probably the best GM in NFL history, to help get him into Canton. Gibbs also had a kick ass offensive scheme ala air Coryell. Since you love the 0-5 to 8-8 analogy, Marty did the same thing in 2000, but didn't go anywhere the next year, as he got canned. Not saying we can't do it this season, but I highly doubt we are going to reach 8-8. THe coach is brand new, the scheme is brand new, and let's face it, other than Portis and maybe Cooley, who is really HOF potential here?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Was the defense really the problem though?

They tightened up in the 2nd half (42 yard rushing allowed vs. 74 in the first half) and kept us in the game and only allowed 1 TD. If we had any hint of an offense that was a very winnable game.

Yes the D needs some improvement, but I'm not sure why you are so focused on them vs. the offense, which needs a vast improvement.

the defense def tightened up the 2nd half,but 74 and 42 add up to 116,Jacobs had that by himself,Giants actually had 154 yrds rushing,which is not good.Plus we were getting steamrolled that first half,IMO,the giants let us off easily,especially on their 2nd and 3rd drive,I think they could have easily picked up their first downs if they would have went for them instead of settling for fg's,they had a 4th n 2 and a 4th n 4,the way our def was playing,they should have went for it,on their 4th drive they had 4th n 5,they probably should have went for that too.The worst drive the giants had ended at the 29 yrd line,
first drive,11 plays 84 yrds
2nd,9 plays 45 yrds
3rd 11 plays 62 yrds
4th 11 plays 57 yrds
bottom line,we couldnt stop them,we were extremely lucky they settled for 16 points,if it would have been last yrs Patriots with their mentality,it would have been 28 points,and the bad thing is,your right about one thing,the offense was worse than the defense

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I haven't had to overreact because I saw this coming and got it all out of my system beforehand.

It's not that bad. They can win some games. I think Zorn needs to focus more on matchups in his game planning. Find the defenses weak link and pick on him. Sometimes you get so caught up in trying to establish your identity, you lose focus. Flexibility is important too. I think Bruce Lee has some good thoughts in this area. Let the opponent dictate how you defeat him.

As fans, once we accept that this team will have to struggle for everything, we can begin to actually root for them again. They're just not going to dominate. If that's what your into, this is not the team.

People had super high expectations. We have a rookie coach and all we can hope is to finish .500. People need to move on, I'm sure the team have and they're focusing on N.O.

[skins6]

We must have patience-Cooley's big play called back due to penalty--the defense is solid--the "O" will come around--fact we opened season on a Thursday gives us a couple xtra days to prepare for Saints. We lost a battle but will win the war.

[4thGenRedskin21]

I agree. But this is typical redskin fandum. Impatient as hell... I knew this was going ot happen and I told my family this, We have a new offense yet again, but this time we have new coaches, and our HC hasnt ever called plays before so if course this is going totake some time.... you people need to learn how to relax, but the best option would have been to hire Greg Williams but oh well. It's going to take a little bit of time guys, stop over reacting

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People had super high expectations. We have a rookie coach and all we can hope is to finish .500. People need to move on, I'm sure the team have and they're focusing on N.O.

Bring em on Baby!

[hooskins]

I think the main issue is fans are offensively minded. I am positive if the score was 42-21 then the bashing would not be nearly as high.

I personally think it is great our D still looks good(against the SB champs I might add) after being ripped apart a couple times in the preseason.

Let's be honest, you can't except a first year coach and team learning a new offense, to throw up 30 points against SB champs. That is just unrealistic.

I think a major concern is the oline, and heyer's mistakes. The penalties really killed an offensive that needed all the help it could get.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess maybe it's just the timing of the overreactions. Week 1 and people are already pulling the plug.

Just keep in mind, there are people such as myself that have remained calm, and understand the situation. Do I like the loss, absolutely not, but we can afford to have 6 more of these and still make the playoffs...I am not worried, nor am I even close to hitting the panic button.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I think the main issue is fans are offensively minded. I am positive if the score was 42-21 then the bashing would not be nearly as high.

I personally think it is great our D still looks good(against the SB champs I might add) after being ripped apart a couple times in the preseason.

Let's be honest, you can't except a first year coach and team learning a new offense, to throw up 30 points against SB champs. That is just unrealistic.

I think a major concern is the oline, and heyer's mistakes. The penalties really killed an offensive that needed all the help it could get.

People are acting like the score was 41-3 instead of 16-7.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

People are acting like the score was 41-3 instead of 16-7.

I don't' know if you saw the Giants but they absolutely sucked. They are not the team that they were last year. Eli played poorly and lot of teams will take advantage of them as a team this year.

We couldn't even compete with them as a team. We made a ass of ourselves in the national spotlight. I think it was that bad and I don't think I'm overreacting.

As long as the offense looks that inept then there is cause for concern. They had four months to prep and looked like they just found out about the game the previous day.

Matt Ryan is a new player, on a new team with a new head coach and he managed not to make a complete ass of himself during a live NFL game. You'd think given those circumstances that Campbell and the Skins wouldn't have laid an egg during the game they've prepped 4 months for.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I don't' know if you saw the Giants but they absolutely sucked. They are not the team that they were last year. Eli played poorly and lot of teams will take advantage of them as a team this year.

We couldn't even compete with them as a team. We made a ass of ourselves in the national spotlight. I think it was that bad and I don't think I'm overreacting.

As long as the offense looks that inept then there is cause for concern. They had four months to prep and looked like they just found out about the game the previous day.

Matt Ryan is a new player, on a new team with a new head coach and he managed not to make a complete ass of himself during a live NFL game. You'd think given those circumstances that Campbell and the Skins wouldn't have laid an egg during the game they've prepped 4 months for.

Matt Ryan had the benefit of Turner rushing for 220 yards and 2 scores. The TEAM had 318 yards rushing for pete's sake. Washington relied on Campbell, Atlanta did not rely on Ryan at all, as evident with his meezly 13 attempts to 42 rushing attempts. Your comparison makes no sense when presented with the actual facts.

Also, the Giants didn't suck...they dominated the first half...it wasn't until we played some D that they had difficulty in the 2nd half.

OK guys, I'm going to say this one last time, cause apparently we have some pretty ignorant fans here...CAMPBELL IS STARTING A NEW SYSTEM, AND HE IS STARTING IT WITH A HEAD COACH THAT HAS 0 EXPERIENCE AS A HEAD COACH OR AN OC!!!! Holy shit people, give it time. If you expected us to have a great team out of the gates, then it isn't Campbell or Zorn that is sucking...it is YOU that is an idiot.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Matt Ryan had the benefit of Turner rushing for 220 yards and 2 scores. The TEAM had 318 yards rushing for pete's sake. Washington relied on Campbell, Atlanta did not rely on Ryan at all, as evident with his meezly 13 attempts to 42 rushing attempts. Your comparison makes no sense when presented with the actual facts.

Also, the Giants didn't suck...they dominated the first half...it wasn't until we played some D that they had difficulty in the 2nd half.

OK guys, I'm going to say this one last time, cause apparently we have some pretty ignorant fans here...CAMPBELL IS STARTING A NEW SYSTEM, AND HE IS STARTING IT WITH A HEAD COACH THAT HAS 0 EXPERIENCE AS A HEAD COACH OR AN OC!!!! Holy shit people, give it time. If you expected us to have a great team out of the gates, then it isn't Campbell or Zorn that is sucking...it is YOU that is an idiot.

Then why didn't the Lions set out to stop the run and put 8 or 9 guys in the box and let Ryan beat you passing. The Lions Def- Coor- is not a moron. That didn't happen, and the Falcons comparatively looked Super Bowl champions to the performance we gave on THU.

It's not the fact that I want the Skins to dominate it's the fact that I'd like them to compete.

They looked horribly inept on THU. You can give Campbell and Zorn as many rationalizations as you would like. Ryan is working with a lot more obstacles than Campbell is and he managed to pull off a COMPETITIVE performance.

You're giving me reasons why Campbell didn't dominate or win the game but can you give me some as to why he wasn't even competitive?

...Save your caps for someone who dignifies your responses.