Redskins-Giants: Offensive Review

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

We'll see how much "I don't get" as this season plays out.

NOTE: My response was directed at your sarcasm, not Gtrips post...

You are a pessimist. We get it. It's just hard to accept your opinion when it's based on such a limited sample. Add to that the fact that you rarely acknowledge anything positive, and it just seems like you are waiting for our collapse. You should try to be more objective.

Also, if you are right, and we have a terrible season as you expect, it won't be because you have some special football insight. It's just the better odds. Anyone can see we have some major adversity to overcome, and more working against us, than for us (rookie HC, aging OL, etc.).

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

You are a pessimist. We get it. It's just hard to accept your opinion when it's based on such a limited sample. Add to that the fact that you rarely acknowledge anything positive, and it just seems like you are waiting for our collapse. You should try to be more objective.

Also, if you are right, and we have a terrible season as you expect, it won't be because you have some special football insight. It's just the better odds. Anyone can see we have some major adversity to overcome, and more working against us, than for us (rookie HC, aging OL, etc.).

I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week.

UNCLE!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week.

UNCLE!

Define "improvement" in your mind Hess.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Define "improvement" in your mind Hess.

The ball being thrown (and caught) for more than 9 yards repeatedly. Not having so many three and outs. TDs (more than 2). Portis running for more the 100 yards in at least 6 games. CBs catching ITs that result in points. Not consistently allowing the deep ball from opposing teams. Ending drives in the endzone at the end of games. Improved time management. Very few penalties on both sides of the ball. If Skins break 500 with JC as QB, I'll consider that improvment.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

The ball being thrown (and caught) for more than 9 yards repeatedly. Not having so many three and outs. TDs (more than 2). Portis running for more the 100 yards in at least 6 games. CBs catching ITs that result in points. Not consistently allowing the deep ball from opposing teams. Ending drives in the endzone at the end of games. Improved time management. Very few penalties on both sides of the ball. If Skins break 500 with JC as QB, I'll consider that improvment.

I think the whole team has to step it up to contribute to those improvements right (not just Campbell and Rogers)? Either way, do you understand why what you just wrote there has more weight than a lot of the other posts we have seen here in recent days?

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the whole team has to step it up to contribute to those improvements right (not just Campbell and Rogers)? Either way, do you understand why what you just wrote there has more weight than a lot of the other posts we have seen here in recent days?

I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they don’t suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.

I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they don’t suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.

I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome.

Don't confuse differing opinions with worthless, unsubstantiated opinions.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they don’t suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.

I think you all need be aware that I keep the majority of my posts short and sweet for fear of being steamed rolled by the mob. You guys aren't exactly open to differing opinions, nor do you make those that have them feel welcome.

Not true. It's opinions that lack real substance and are reactionary/emotional in nature that we don't appreciate. We're just trying to prevent this place from becoming ES.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I often call out JC and Rogers because they suck more often than they don’t suck, and the frustration level is overwhelming with them.

Some starters who suck more often than JC and Carlos Rogers:

Santana Moss
Antwaan Randle El
Mike Sellers
Casey Rabach
Rocky McIntosh
Reed Doughty
Fred Smoot

And there are others that are debatable, but the point is that people don't spend a whole lot of time and effort clammering for the replacement of said players. Part of that because a handful of them (Doughty, McIntosh) are young and might improve (like JC and Rogers), but mostly it's because even the people who think that the fan base overrates those seven players realize that they are in most cases the best option we have at their respective positions, and that as fans of the Redskins, we might as well get behind them and hope for their success.

It's somewhat sad that you don't share this mindset with two young players that are critical to the long term success of the franchise, but I guess it's your opinion that we should cut bait with them now and start rebuilding.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week.

UNCLE!

Realists focus on *objective* facts. However, it seems your opinion is that we will never win with JC as our QB. Funny thing is, it's not just about the QB -- it's about the whole team. It's hard to convince me you are being objective when your only/biggest gripe is JC. We clearly have more (bigger) problems than him.

IMO, our biggest problem is the OL. Sure, JC needs to get the ball out quicker, but if he had more time this issue would be moot. Come to think of it, JC has two problems I can think of: holds the ball too long, and is making slow reads/too conservative. Those are minor problems, IMO, and it's nothing unexpected considering he's learning yet another offense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist, and there is a difference. I'm not pretending to be an amazing football guru that has a wealth of football knowledge. I was a stat girl for quite a few years, but that hardly makes me professionally qualified to accurately rate our players on an individual basis. I’m no highschool football coach, that’s for sure (note sarcasm)!! I'm a fan, a diehard fan, that watches the game (every game) very closely and forms opinions. I'm negative about our QB play (so often) because it sets the tone for the entire team. So yes, I have little faith in our ability to win games when JC is our QB. Until I see a lot of improvement I will continue to feel that way. To suggest I’m anxiously awaiting the demise of this team is flat out ridiculous. I want the Skins to win and hope for it every week.

UNCLE!

Then explain the Ravens winning with Trent Dilfer, the Bears going to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman, Dan Marino having no Super Bowl wins.. Football is a team game.. Sure one or two people can impact that, but to put SO much emphasis on JC (or anyone else for that matter) is just crazy.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Then explain the Ravens winning with Trent Dilfer, the Bears going to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman, Dan Marino having no Super Bowl wins.. Football is a team game.. Sure one or two people can impact that, but to put SO much emphasis on JC (or anyone else for that matter) is just crazy.

Thanks for pointing this out. I now have renewed hope that we'll make it to the Superbowl... lol

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Thanks for pointing this out. I now have renewed hope that we'll make it to the Superbowl... lol

My point, genius, is that one player doesn't make a team. Teams have succeeded without elite QB and teams have flailed about with great QB. To put SO much focus on ONE player is just silly. It proves a complete lack of knowledge of the game.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My point, genius, is that one player doesn't make a team. Teams have succeeded without elite QB and teams have flailed about with great QB. To put SO much focus on ONE player is just silly. It proves a complete lack of knowledge of the game.

I got your point, know it all. There are plenty of people that don't think JC has what it takes. Me thinking the same does not mean I lack complete knowledge of this game, nor does it mean I think JC single-handedly is the reason we are losing. However, I do think he is a very large contributor.
Your misrepresentation of my comments is offensive. If you'd like to continue to insult my intelligence, PM me.