What if Ramsey isn't the man?

MTK · 11-16-2004, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

You really hate Ramsey don't you? Geez, give the guy a break, you gave Brunell about 9 weeks of breaks.

You keep harping on Ramsey's two poor performances this year. You fail to consider that #1 there were many teams interested in Ramsey this past offseason, he was awesome for us during the first quarter of last season, he's incredibly inexperienced for a QB having just 16 starts under his belt.

Seriously, how about we give the kid a chance?

He surpassed the 200 yard mark in a little over a half of action, Brunell struggled regularly to just hit 100 yards, and he only topped 200 yards twice this year, that's pretty sad. Can Ramsey do any worse than Brunell has? I highly doubt it.

Ramsey has a lot of potential. He's going to make some mistakes along the way, but he's also going to mix in some throws that make you say wow.

Brunell is done, for this year and for his career. Ramsey is our best shot.

CROOKEDSKINS · 11-16-2004, 12:57 AM

i agree with matt ramsey looked better than brunell and
he had little or no reps with the starters.he started getting in a groove
in the 4th he will make mistakes cause he belives he can make any throw
cause he has a monster arm

Redskins_P · 11-16-2004, 08:54 AM

[QUOTE=SUNRA]

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Originally Posted by Big C

ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE

Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program.

When did Carter win a game for the Jets?

joethiesmanfan · 11-16-2004, 09:16 AM

The man asked a hypothetical question.. and people dont answer he is right. How bout this let's mortgage our future for Mark Brunnell? the point is Carter would play for peanuts we have to think about the salary cap now fellas dont wanna be like Indy with all our money invested in one player and have no defense at all.

Krills · 11-16-2004, 09:29 AM

Come on man, Quincy Carter. Are you kidding?

Daseal · 11-16-2004, 11:18 AM

Quincy Carter is a young QB with tons of athletic talent. Not to mention much better than anyone Gibbs won a SuperBowl with. I think he's the #1 reason the Cowboys are struggling.

Redskins_P · 11-16-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Quincy Carter is a young QB with tons of athletic talent. Not to mention much better than anyone Gibbs won a SuperBowl with. I think he's the #1 reason the Cowboys are struggling.

Yeah, but he has a slight drug problem unfortunately. You can't have your starting QB getting high during the season or training camp.

MTK · 11-16-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Quincy Carter is a young QB with tons of athletic talent. Not to mention much better than anyone Gibbs won a SuperBowl with. I think he's the #1 reason the Cowboys are struggling.

Huh?!

Rypien, Theismann and Williams weren't superstars, but in their prime they were without question better than QC. That's not even open for debate.

The Cowboys problems aren't at QB, it starts with the fact they can't run the football and their defense is tanking big time.

Daseal · 11-16-2004, 11:46 AM

I don't think those guys were better than Carter, that's just my opinion.

We can't have someone getting high eh? LT got high on COCAINE CONSTANTLY. Did it affect his PLAY? No. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all these guys are sober. There are so many masking substances you can take the drug test shouldn't even be administered. Guess QC got lazy or suprised, one of the two.

QC gives them the threat of a mobile QB, it would help. Not to mention it throws off team chemsitry. Don't we always say how important continuity is?

Redskins_P · 11-16-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't think those guys were better than Carter, that's just my opinion.

We can't have someone getting high eh? LT got high on COCAINE CONSTANTLY. Did it affect his PLAY? No. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all these guys are sober. There are so many masking substances you can take the drug test shouldn't even be administered. Guess QC got lazy or suprised, one of the two.

QC gives them the threat of a mobile QB, it would help. Not to mention it throws off team chemsitry. Don't we always say how important continuity is?

LT was a linebacker!! Quincy is a QB!!!! He's supposed to be the "leader" of the team, right?

MTK · 11-16-2004, 12:00 PM

Daseal, you've said some curious things before but QC better than anyone Gibbs has won a SB with? How do you figure that?

Look at QC's numbers and tell me what it is that impresses you. Is it the career 30 TD's to 36 INT's? Maybe the 71.0 QB rating?

Mark Rypien is a much more accomplished QB, career TD to INT of 115-88. 5-3 record in the postseason.

As for Joe Theismann, c'mon you're saying QC is better than Joey T??? 160 career TD passes vs. 138 INT's, 6-2 postseason record.

Doug Williams is probably the only one that could be possibly debated, but even then he's got 100 career TD's vs. 93 INT's and a 4-3 postseason record, and he helped turn around one of the most dismal franchises in NFL history with the Bucs.

QC right now is far from even being mentioned in the same breath as these guys.

illdefined · 11-16-2004, 12:07 PM

what the hell, how did this thread become about quincy carter?? gross.

Daseal asked THE question of the season, and you guys talkin' bout a guy not good enough for the COWBOYS.

we finally got Ramsey in, and he's still throwing too close to the other guys. this is it, our 'hero' is in, and the rest of the season is on the line. before we start hearing Hasslebeck's name, could we discuss how scary it will be if Ramsey doesn't shake off his bad gambling with his throws?

SmootSmack · 11-16-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

QC gives them the threat of a mobile QB, it would help. Not to mention it throws off team chemsitry. Don't we always say how important continuity is?

What do you mean by "not to mention it throws off team chemistry"?

and if you agree that continuity is important why would we go again to yet another QB who's not even on our roster?

SmootSmack · 11-16-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

what the hell, how did this thread become about quincy carter?? gross.

Daseal asked THE question of the season, and you guys talkin' bout a guy not good enough for the COWBOYS.

Well, Daseal didn't just ask "What if Ramsey isn't the man". He also asked "Shouldn't we consider Q"

That Guy · 11-16-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

At least Carter won a game for the Jets.

except that the jets LOST... please check your facts

didn't dallas want ramsey once we got brunell? if so... hmm...

11-16-2004, 09:29 AM	#20
Krills Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chesapeake, VA Age: 45 Posts: 123	Quincy Carter? Come on man, Quincy Carter. Are you kidding?

11-16-2004, 12:57 AM	#17
CROOKEDSKINS Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: KEY WEST FL Age: 53 Posts: 93	i agree with matt ramsey looked better than brunell and he had little or no reps with the starters.he started getting in a groove in the 4th he will make mistakes cause he belives he can make any throw cause he has a monster arm

11-16-2004, 09:16 AM	#19
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	The man asked a hypothetical question.. and people dont answer he is right. How bout this let's mortgage our future for Mark Brunnell? the point is Carter would play for peanuts we have to think about the salary cap now fellas dont wanna be like Indy with all our money invested in one player and have no defense at all.

11-16-2004, 11:18 AM	#21
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Quincy Carter is a young QB with tons of athletic talent. Not to mention much better than anyone Gibbs won a SuperBowl with. I think he's the #1 reason the Cowboys are struggling.

11-16-2004, 11:46 AM	#24
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	I don't think those guys were better than Carter, that's just my opinion. We can't have someone getting high eh? LT got high on COCAINE CONSTANTLY. Did it affect his PLAY? No. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all these guys are sober. There are so many masking substances you can take the drug test shouldn't even be administered. Guess QC got lazy or suprised, one of the two. QC gives them the threat of a mobile QB, it would help. Not to mention it throws off team chemsitry. Don't we always say how important continuity is?

11-16-2004, 12:00 PM	#26
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,835	Daseal, you've said some curious things before but QC better than anyone Gibbs has won a SB with? How do you figure that? Look at QC's numbers and tell me what it is that impresses you. Is it the career 30 TD's to 36 INT's? Maybe the 71.0 QB rating? Mark Rypien is a much more accomplished QB, career TD to INT of 115-88. 5-3 record in the postseason. As for Joe Theismann, c'mon you're saying QC is better than Joey T??? 160 career TD passes vs. 138 INT's, 6-2 postseason record. Doug Williams is probably the only one that could be possibly debated, but even then he's got 100 career TD's vs. 93 INT's and a 4-3 postseason record, and he helped turn around one of the most dismal franchises in NFL history with the Bucs. QC right now is far from even being mentioned in the same breath as these guys.

11-16-2004, 12:07 PM	#27
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 49 Posts: 2,631	what the hell, how did this thread become about quincy carter?? gross. Daseal asked THE question of the season, and you guys talkin' bout a guy not good enough for the COWBOYS. we finally got Ramsey in, and he's still throwing too close to the other guys. this is it, our 'hero' is in, and the rest of the season is on the line. before we start hearing Hasslebeck's name, could we discuss how scary it will be if Ramsey doesn't shake off his bad gambling with his throws?

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