In Jim Zorn we trust!....

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

How about the job he did last year with all those injuries and , especially to the OL and ST's death? Are you forgetting? You think Zorn could have done that? I doubted. Campbell matured last year, he arrived after the Dallas loss in Dallas, we couldn't run a lot of the plays with the right side of the line missing and therefore Campbell wasn't as effective as he is this year. Yes, they held him back so he wouldn't get killed and then he got injured. OL being healthy is the difference this year.

Yes...yes...thanks Joe for assembling and keeping together this bunch of character guys, but thanks also for stepping down when you realized you couldn't get us to the SB.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Yes...yes...thanks Joe for assembling and keeping together this bunch of character guys, but thanks also for stepping down when you realized you couldn't get us to the SB.

I think this is exactly right, and the greatness that is JG. He surely could have stayed, everyone wanted him to, but he knew that the Skins could do better. It takes a heck of a person to be willing to do that. And Zorn has been outstanding. He was chomping at the bit to be a coach, and the Redskins are lucky that Dan and Vinny took the chance on him.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think this is exactly right, and the greatness that is JG. He surely could have stayed, everyone wanted him to, but he knew that the Skins could do better. It takes a heck of a person to be willing to do that. And Zorn has been outstanding. He was chomping at the bit to be a coach, and the Redskins are lucky that Dan and Vinny took the chance on him.

Agreed - very unselfish of Joe to clear the way for another coach to take the team that he built to the next level.

Lady Brave - I don't think posters are dying to take a swipe at Gibbs any which way they can - its only natural to compare your current coach with the last coach. Zorn might not come close to accomplishing what Gibbs achieved here, but the fact that his playcalling is in stark contrast to what we've seen under Gibbs does warrant calling out.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Agreed - very unselfish of Joe to clear the way for another coach to take the team that he built to the next level.

Lady Brave - I don't think posters are dying to take a swipe at Gibbs any which way they can - its only natural to compare your current coach with the last coach. Zorn might not come close to accomplishing what Gibbs achieved here, but the fact that his playcalling is in stark contrast to what we've seen under Gibbs does warrant calling out.

How much is it really though? I mean I agree there are differences, but we are pounding the ball (like Gibbs), using the motion offense (like Gibbs) albeit more judiciously, and last week in our clinching drive it was a pound it out drive that ended with a field goal (something we complained a lot about with Gibbs "Why isn't he going for the TD kill?!". Not to mention we seem to be converting more 3rd and short plays on the ground than in previous years.

Gibbs should get credit for restoring pride in the franchise and putting the next coach in position to succeed. Zorn, as the next coach, should get credit for taking what has been given to him and improving upon it (to this point in his very brief career). One doesn't have to be put down to elevate the other.

I think the biggest differences between the two is a) you know that this is Zorn's offense, as opposed to the Gibbs vs Saunders scenario and b) the players seem a bit more relaxed, almost like they didn't want to let a legend down so they played tight.

But bottom line, kudos to both of them.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Lady Brave - I don't think posters are dying to take a swipe at Gibbs any which way they can - its only natural to compare your current coach with the last coach. Zorn might not come close to accomplishing what Gibbs achieved here, but the fact that his playcalling is in stark contrast to what we've seen under Gibbs does warrant calling out.

I think there are people who are dying to take a swipe at him, because any success Zorn has justifies any criticisms they ever had of Gibbs, no matter how insignifcant they might be.

I guess you haven't been reading the same things I have. I'm not speaking specifically of the members of this board. I frequent a lot of different sites and I've read lots of articles that all say the same thing praising Zorn and faulting Gibbs in the same sentence. I've got a lot of respect for Gibbs and I just think he deserves better. He overcame and suffered through a lot of things while he was here both personally and professionally. Again, I just think people lose sight of the big picture when evaluating Gibbs and I think that's a shame.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

I think there are people who are dying to take a swipe at him, because any success Zorn has justifies any criticisms they ever had of Gibbs, no matter how insignifcant they might be.

I guess you haven't been reading the same things I have. I'm not speaking specifically of the members of this board. I frequent a lot of different sites and I've read lots of articles that all say the same thing praising Zorn and faulting Gibbs in the same sentence. I've got a lot of respect for Gibbs and I just think he deserves better. He overcame and suffered through a lot of things while he was here both personally and professionally. Again, I just think people lose sight of the big picture when evaluating Gibbs and I think that's a shame.

Lady Brave you are spot on. A lot of members in this forum were saying Campbell sucked and they wanted Colt, Jansen was washed up and we should cut him, this same folks were all over Zorn after the loss to the Giants. It's sad to have so many fair weather members on this forum and not appreciate what Gibbs has done for this franchise. I'll say it again, the difference between last year and this year is a healthy OL. Joe left us in great shape, enough said.