The Skins Won't Win Another Game!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The skins are the same team they were 4 hours ago (pretty good) they just got complacent and let the headlines get to their fat heads.

Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.

Agreed. We had 368 total yards to their 200. We had the ball longer, ran for twice as many yards, had fewer penalties, and didn't allow an offensive TD. I'd say 19 out of 20 times that will win you a ball game. I'll also say turning it over 3 times in your opponents territory on what seem like imminent scoring drives will lose you the game 19 out of 20 times.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Agreed. We had 368 total yards to their 200. We had the ball longer, ran for twice as many yards, had fewer penalties, and didn't allow an offensive TD. I'd say 19 out of 20 times that will win you a ball game. I'll also say turning it over 3 times in your opponents territory on what seem like imminent scoring drives will lose you the game 19 out of 20 times.

We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played (although they dropped two very easy INTs), you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations, and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week. Plus, the Rams DL did not look like a 0-4 DL. They played really great when we weren't attacking them in the running game.

Two of the turnovers we had, IMO, were a result of the success we were having. Cooley was trying to get YAC, something that he's very good at, and got the ball stripped. Campbell could have fallen on the bad snap from Rabach, but the way Campbell had been playing, if he had fielded it cleanly, don't you just believe that we would have found an open WR? I feel that way.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played (although they dropped two very easy INTs), you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations, and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week. Plus, the Rams DL did not look like a 0-4 DL. They played really great when we weren't attacking them in the running game.

Two of the turnovers we had, IMO, were a result of the success we were having. Cooley was trying to get YAC, something that he's very good at, and got the ball stripped. Campbell could have fallen on the bad snap from Rabach, but the way Campbell had been playing, if he had fielded it cleanly, don't you just believe that we would have found an open WR? I feel that way.

This is a big problem. Turnovers, as we know from being on both ends of it now, win and lose you ball games. We've dropped by my count 6 gimmie INTs this year. Blache in general has put together good defensive game plans thus far, but our LBs and DBs have got to work on their hands drills.

As far as your point about Campbell, yeah, I feel like he would have either found a WR or scrambled had he fielded it cleanly, but he's got to be aware of the situation. We were losing in a game where we could ill afford further mistakes. Romo seems to pull that crap all the time (fumbling and trying to pick it up rather than falling on it), and it seems like it hurts the Cowboys most of the time. Hard to give JC too much shit, but next time I'd prefer he just fall on it, unless we're in totally dire straits.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played (although they dropped two very easy INTs), you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations, and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week.

GTripp,
That is certainly not true.
Our kicking game was horrible,
Kickoffs out of bounds, punting? punt coverage, kickoff coverage?
Hell, the kicking game plus turnovers seemed to give them the ball at midfield to start....I consider major kicking blunders almost as bad as a turnover.
As we learned from Shottenheimer, field position and defense can win games.
The defense was solid....
But, who won the coaching?
Saunders knew what to expect on that last play and he knew who which receiver would have the nickle back and they threw to him.
It is true that the Skins essentially shut down the running game and even the passing game all day, but awesome field position always kept the Rams 1 big play away from victory.

The only reason we shouldn't seriously consider cutting Brooks at this point is because the Skins have not groomed a backup QB as holder.
As I said in preseason, they should have done this to give them more flexibility with who to keep as punter....now, we are kinda stuck with this guy that may take a half a season to figure it out....if he keeps it up, we just may lose a game because of him....
And I love Swishy but, hasn't he kicked out of bounds twice this year?
I am not sure, but that is inexcusable.
What is worse is the special teams coaching, why even try a corner kick if your kicker struggles with that?...last game they pooched one late giving the opposition the ball at the 40...and what the hell is with the coverage units?
I say put every LB on the squad in there, something is definately wrong.

Fumbles happen.
2 of 3 of them shouldn't have if the skins fell on them...and they would have won because of it....this is basic.

Kicking coverage teams stink right now...and that is a major factor in why we lost.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

GTripp,
That is certainly not true.
Our kicking game was horrible,
Kickoffs out of bounds, punting? punt coverage, kickoff coverage?
Hell, the kicking game plus turnovers seemed to give them the ball at midfield to start....I consider major kicking blunders almost as bad as a turnover.
As we learned from Shottenheimer, field position and defense can win games.
The defense was solid....
But, who won the coaching?
Saunders knew what to expect on that last play and he knew who which receiver would have the nickle back and they threw to him.
It is true that the Skins essentially shut down the running game and even the passing game all day, but awesome field position always kept the Rams 1 big play away from victory.

The only reason we shouldn't seriously consider cutting Brooks at this point is because the Skins have not groomed a backup QB as holder.
As I said in preseason, they should have done this to give them more flexibility with who to keep as punter....now, we are kinda stuck with this guy that may take a half a season to figure it out....if he keeps it up, we just may lose a game because of him....
And I love Swishy but, hasn't he kicked out of bounds twice this year?
I am not sure, but that is inexcusable.
What is worse is the special teams coaching, why even try a corner kick if your kicker struggles with that?...last game they pooched one late giving the opposition the ball at the 40...and what the hell is with the coverage units?
I say put every LB on the squad in there, something is definately wrong.

Fumbles happen.
2 of 3 of them shouldn't have if the skins fell on them...and they would have won because of it....this is basic.

Kicking coverage teams stink right now...and that is a major factor in why we lost.

Okay, I can give you the kicking/punt coverage being awful, and it's a very good point. But that was a big issue vs. the teams we beat as well, and we did play well enough to overcome it.

I agree that field position makes a big difference in how many points you score/give up, but the biggest problem in field position was the turnovers. Punt coverage was important, but secondary.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We expected to blow the Rams out today, and the way the defense played (although they dropped two very easy INTs), you would have thought we beat them 20-3.

Now, the offense did get consistently beaten by the Rams in pass protection. But that's the ONLY place that we underperformed expectations, and I believe it's totally unreasonable to expect every unit to play it's best game every week. Plus, the Rams DL did not look like a 0-4 DL. They played really great when we weren't attacking them in the running game.

Two of the turnovers we had, IMO, were a result of the success we were having. Cooley was trying to get YAC, something that he's very good at, and got the ball stripped. Campbell could have fallen on the bad snap from Rabach, but the way Campbell had been playing, if he had fielded it cleanly, don't you just believe that we would have found an open WR? I feel that way.

Simultaneously our O-line did not look like a 4-1 line in pass protection...

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.

Did you see the special teams play or lack off. Mistakes by the OL, giving 4 sacks to the Rams? How about the dropped passes by Randle-El and Moss, Yoder (lack of concentration) Campbell looked confused at times or maybe it was the lack of pass protection. Like someone said, it was a trap game and a lack of concentration and execution, why not go after them when their secondary was weak and weaker after Manning got hurt. This is a good team that just had a bad game, every team goes thru that. Look at the Cowboys and yes, mark my words the Giants are going down tomorrow night.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Did you see the special teams play or lack off. Mistakes by the OL, giving 4 sacks to the Rams? How about the dropped passes by Randle-El and Moss, Yoder (lack of concentration) Campbell looked confused at times or maybe it was the lack of pass protection. Like someone said, it was a trap game and a lack of concentration and execution, why not go after them when their secondary was weak and weaker after Manning got hurt. This is a good team that just had a bad game, every team goes thru that. Look at the Cowboys and yes, mark my words the Giants are going down tomorrow night.

We dropped passes against the Eagles and the Giants. Did we overlook them?

I agree that we got beat by an inferior team, but I think the phrase trap game also implies that we were looking past that, and that obviously wasn't the case. We didn't play our best game, but we both could have predicted us to be less than perfect in this game. It's important to make this distinction: we didn't lose because the Rams outplayed us, we lost because we got careless with ball security. Phrases like "trap game" and overlooking the opponent imply that we would have been more careful to protect the ball if we weren't playing the Rams. That, of course, makes no sense, because none of the turnovers came on plays in which we made a stupid mental mistake. It just sort of happened that we fumbled, and then fumbled again and again. There's really no sort of coaching adjustment to be made.

The Cowboys lost on the road to a team that might actually be better than them. At least, the Cardinals looked better against us on our home turf than the Cowboys did on theirs. We'll see about the Giants, but there would REALLY need to be a bunch of fluky stuff, and Derek Anderson would have to get lost on his way to the stadium to close the gap in talent between the two teams.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Sorry, not buying that lame-ass excuse.

What evidence do you have to support the fact that certain players on the team were overconfident heading into this game? Do you have any names of players who played well below what we would expect from them?

I think there are legitimate analytical reasons for the loss today, but we don't need that half-ass media excuse garbage on this board.

You probably don't consider this evidence but...

Portis Says Skins Were Too Loose - D.C. Sports Bog