Portis MVP Midway Through

[redwarrior111]

OK, I'm pretty sure I won't be making any friends with this one. So let me diclamier first by saying again, I'm new and a little retarded still. =)

But I just had a thought today. Is Clinton Portis really that great a running back....Or do we just use him all the time?

What I mean is, are there other running backs in the league that are as good or better, who would be just as close to the record or even further along, if they were used as frequently as we use Portis?

[Jamaican'Skin]

Originally Posted by redwarrior111

OK, I'm pretty sure I won't be making any friends with this one. So let me diclamier first by saying again, I'm new and a little retarded still. =)

But I just had a thought today. Is Clinton Portis really that great a running back....Or do we just use him all the time?

What I mean is, are there other running backs in the league that are as good or better, who would be just as close to the record or even further along, if they were used as frequently as we use Portis?

I don't think you can say that using Portis frequently is the reason why he is having a career season. He isn't averaging 30+ carries a game, and JC has put up some very good numbers. Last week he went for 328 and Portis had 126.

The fact of the matter is that Portis is running well because he dedicated himself to Redskin Park this offseason. The line is run blocking extremely well, and we have a pretty balanced offenese. We may lean on the run game to get things going, but that is becasue it is effective.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by redwarrior111

OK, I'm pretty sure I won't be making any friends with this one. So let me diclamier first by saying again, I'm new and a little retarded still. =)

But I just had a thought today. Is Clinton Portis really that great a running back....Or do we just use him all the time?

What I mean is, are there other running backs in the league that are as good or better, who would be just as close to the record or even further along, if they were used as frequently as we use Portis?

No offense, but that is retarded. Just look at the numbers, like the article says only Tomlinson has had more yards then him since he's been in the league, and I'd contend that if he can stay healthy and productive for a few more seasons, he'll surpass even Ladanian.

Now, he has run behind two teams that perenially have good offensive lines, and yes we have always relied on him, he has in fact carried this team since he's been here (obviously Ladell took over for a little). But even when our line was injured last season, and he was still a little hobbled from the year before he still put up the kind of numbers you expect from a starting running back. Also remember that he holds the Redskins single season rushing record. He has consistantly put up good numbers no matter how we've used him.

And this year he is just playing out of his mind. Does he get alot of opportunities? Yes, but he is breaking off 6-7-8 yard runs in the fourth quarter when they know it's coming. Several times he has run the ball on crucial short yardage situations and somehow despite a good push from the D-line he has dug it out to move the sticks, or score. And It seems like he is setting records every week.

So, okay, can anyone say for sure that if we had Marion Barber rushing for us that he wouldn't be putting up the same numbers? Of course not, but if you consider that Clinton Portis has been a top-teir running back in the NFL for nearly all of his 7 year career, albeit quietly, and that he admittedly put extra effort in this off-season to be in good shape it is not suprising that he is leading the league in rushing. If you ask me, he deserves most of the credit, whether or not he is getting the ball alot he is still producing every time he does.

[redwarrior111]

Originally Posted by WillH

No offense, but that is retarded.

It's cool. Like I said, I am completely oblivious. I chosse to jump into it, and I chose to use this board as my learning grounds. I learn anything best by just getting involved, even if I make stupid mistakes. I expect a little hazing as I go, maybe even cruel tutelage from time to time. If I couldn't take the heat I'd get out of the kitchen. I'll learn one day, even if its at the school of hard knocks, ya know? Truth is the thought just occured to me. I didn't look at the records, and as a newcomer to a culture I maybe should have watched my words more carefully. I basically just did the equivelent of going to Ireland and saying "So you guys are all useless drunks...right?'' lol. You do that, you deserve your comeupins. I really like seeing Portis play, I was just curious how the stats measure up.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by redwarrior111

It's cool. Like I said, I am completely oblivious. I chosse to jump into it, and I chose to use this board as my learning grounds. I learn anything best by just getting involved, even if I make stupid mistakes. I expect a little hazing as I go, maybe even cruel tutelage from time to time. If I couldn't take the heat I'd get out of the kitchen. I'll learn one day, even if its at the school of hard knocks, ya know? Truth is the thought just occured to me. I didn't look at the records, and as a newcomer to a culture I maybe should have watched my words more carefully. I basically just did the equivelent of going to Ireland and saying "So you guys are all useless drunks...right?'' lol. You do that, you deserve your comeupins. I really like seeing Portis play, I was just curious how the stats measure up.

Don't worry about it redwarrior. It's better to ask and learn than to stay silent and ignorant. It's even worse to be ignorant and act like you know everything. Hang in there. You'll get it.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by redwarrior111

It's cool. Like I said, I am completely oblivious. I chosse to jump into it, and I chose to use this board as my learning grounds. I learn anything best by just getting involved, even if I make stupid mistakes. I expect a little hazing as I go, maybe even cruel tutelage from time to time. If I couldn't take the heat I'd get out of the kitchen. I'll learn one day, even if its at the school of hard knocks, ya know? Truth is the thought just occured to me. I didn't look at the records, and as a newcomer to a culture I maybe should have watched my words more carefully. I basically just did the equivelent of going to Ireland and saying "So you guys are all useless drunks...right?'' lol. You do that, you deserve your comeupins. I really like seeing Portis play, I was just curious how the stats measure up.

No its cool man, I'm just a staunch CP supporter, and I have defended his talent for years, so it was frustrating seeing someone question it when he is leading the league. Believe it or not I meant it when I said no offense.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by redwarrior111

OK, I'm pretty sure I won't be making any friends with this one. So let me diclamier first by saying again, I'm new and a little retarded still. =)

But I just had a thought today. Is Clinton Portis really that great a running back....Or do we just use him all the time?

What I mean is, are there other running backs in the league that are as good or better, who would be just as close to the record or even further along, if they were used as frequently as we use Portis?

If you look at his yards per carry he's averaging around 5 yards each time he runs the ball. That is excellent. 20 carries, 100 yards. If a back is only averaging 3.5 ypc. 20 carries, 70 yards. You see the difference? Portis is doing very well this year which is WHY we're giving him the ball so much. Is he that great a running back? Yes, but the o-line is important also.

[redwarrior111]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

If you look at his yards per carry he's averaging around 5 yards each time he runs the ball. That is excellent. 20 carries, 100 yards. If a back is only averaging 3.5 ypc. 20 carries, 70 yards. You see the difference? Portis is doing very well this year which is WHY we're giving him the ball so much. Is he that great a running back? Yes, but the o-line is important also.

Ahh, I see, thanks.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redwarrior111

OK, I'm pretty sure I won't be making any friends with this one. So let me diclamier first by saying again, I'm new and a little retarded still. =)

But I just had a thought today. Is Clinton Portis really that great a running back....Or do we just use him all the time?

What I mean is, are there other running backs in the league that are as good or better, who would be just as close to the record or even further along, if they were used as frequently as we use Portis?

I think it's a legit question to ask. Yes he's had a big workload, but I think the key is he's making the most of that workload. He's averaging 5.0 yards per pop, and 5 straight games of at least 120 yards is pretty damn impressive. He's averaging 118 per game, nobody even comes close to that.

If he was only getting 3.5 - 4.0 per carry I think your argument would carry more weight.

The Skins have leaned on him hard, but he's delivering.

Should Brees not be considered because they throw all the time?