Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

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Originally Posted by Duffman003

what are the reasons that the government doesn't want the legalize gay marriage? I Understand it's not allowed according to the bible, but there's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Would this have any negative effects on society?

The real crazies among the religous believe that allowing gay marriage will not only create more gays (which isn't bad to us but to the crazies it's a whole nother story) but it will bring America closer to being a Godless nation and in turn will help bring the wrath of God upon America. I don't know what the wrath is but from what I understand this could be anything from another 9/11 to the rapture itself.

Plus most people are freaked out by gays, myself included, well only the lispy feminine types that just seem to be trying way to hard, but I will admit it is still kind of surprising when I see gay people in real life mainly because I rarely see it. Still taking away rights from people because you think the Bible gives you the right to is just plain unfair and probably part of the reason you have lower church attendence and others willing to pay higher taxes instead of electing a party thats more likely to try and construct policies that take away or prevent civil rights.

I guess I relate to the gays in a sense that I know what it's like to keep a secret and be in the closet as I'm an atheist/agnostic myself that still hasn't "come out" to my parents and I know when I get a job I'm probably going to keep it a secret especially since I'll probably still be living in the Bible Belt. I've even tried to tell my parents but it ended with me being a believer in Jesus who doesn't like the Bible.

I mean I've told my friends and I've told you guys (some of which I am inclined to consider friends) but even then you get the crazier of your friends trying to debate you, which is actually kind of fun, but sometimes they shut down and act weird which gets on my nerves. It actually got to a point where a good friend of mine took me to a play called "Final Destination" in which a wife beater/accidental murder went to heaven for accepting Jesus while normal people were sent to hell for not truly accepting Jesus. He also freaked out when I had him over to dinner at my families house and saw me saying grace with my family.

I'm not even against religion, what I am against is the fractions that brainwash their followers and force them to focus on dogma and worship instead of the actual teachings that apply to teaching people how to be kind and humble. I mean it's like your a good person based on the fact that you believe in Jesus instead of earning it by being a good person that respects and helps other people. I guess it's one of my favorite jokes as when my friends make fun of me for my godless beliefs I agree and joke about how I can't go a minute without thinking about killing someone or steeling a car as the only reason people don't do these things is because they think God won't approve of it and punish them and when you don't believe in God you're automatically inclined to commit horrible sins.

Anyway sorry for the rant. To answer the original question people are scared of not only what they don't understand but also of those that break rules assigned by authority figures (which in this case would be corrupt preachers and the like).

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

gay people should be able to be as miserable as the rest of us. (don't remember where I heard that but its true)

Actually theres the joke where gay people are against gay marriage because with straight couples that get serious it ends up with one of the two pondering marriage. If you're gay you just have to say "Oh sorry honey I'd love to but it's illegal." If you're straight its like "we have to break up."