Redskins Offense: What's the Problem?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BrennanBeliever

I'm not saying that Big Ben has had a flawless season by any scope of the imagination but what I am contending is that he looks more poised in the face of heavy pressure. He looks through the rush and is still finding Holmes running out routes and and Ward over the middle for 10 to 12 yard chunks with relative accuracy. Would I rather have Ben than JC at this point in the season. Absolutely. The game isn't played in the stat column.

Ben is phenominal outside of the pocket, but he doesn't see the field nearly as well as he needs to inside of it. He's like the reverse Tom Brady.

[skinsnut]

Someone mentioned shotgun...I mentioned this like a month ago....and we rarely see it.
Rollouts are rare too.

One thing about Gibbs, when the Oline needed help, he adjusted.

Zorn does not adjust....his "Rookiness" has been showing for a month.
That is why when everyone was saying he was a "5" out of 5....I still graded him a 3.
He hasn't been tested yet....now, he has been a couple games straight and he just has not kept ahead of the curve.

He better get his crap together soon or we may just be vanilla all the way out of the playoff race.

[CrackBack]

John Madden pointed out the problem really well last night.

With all the slant patterns and no shots downfield, defenses are starting to play us close, not worrying about the deep threat. I realize that this is the WCO style, but until we prove that we have a valid deep threat in the playbook (we bviously have the personel with Moss) we will nto be successful.

[skinsnut]

and....how the HELL do you LOSE to the Cowboys at home when it would essentially be a 3 game difference and a loss makes it a tie?

Portis played injured, so did Washington and others. Where the HELL is the fire?
Doesn't Zorn get it?
He obviously does not feel the way we do about the cowboys.
If you cant get up to drive a nail in the coffin of your hated enemies at home, you never will...I am pissed and depressed....I just dont see how this team gets their crap together unless Zorn radically changes playcalling/protection and/or some unknown offensive player breaks out...(and it aint gunna be thomas).

I AM REALLY PISSED OFF TODAY.
I need a beer.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Ben is phenominal outside of the pocket, but he doesn't see the field nearly as well as he needs to inside of it. He's like the reverse Tom Brady.

Great analogy GTripp. Roethlisberger looked lost in the pocket when Blache threw blitzes at him almost every play. The difference with Leftwich was glaring. Byron made his reads and fired in rhythm while the blitz distracted Ben into trying to buy time with his mobility.

[CrazyCanuck]

OFFENSIVE LINE, especially pass protection.

Felt like I was watching that Dallas game when Spurrier was the coach and Ramsey nearly got killed (literally).

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, thanks for not flying into a furious rant.

Hmm, sense a touch of sarcasm SS... seriously, i'm so much calmer than I was yesterday

[tmandoug1]

Hi Skins fans, didn't we do this last year. Yes we did and here is the same post I put up LAST YEAR. Mark Rypien stood in the pocket for 3-5 seconds and picked apart defenses, is he better than JC? If JC only gets 2 seconds he doesn't get time to see his recievers deep. O-LINE is bad on pass protection and decent on the rush. JC threw picks because he was getting hit all night or nervous about getting hit. Protect him we win. (obvioulsy)

[Big C]

our offensive line has been pathetic in recent weeks. rabach is horrendous, he must be replaced in the offseason imo. jansen is also doing terribly in pass pro imo, i really wish heyer would get back in there. samuels is hurt so i can understand his struggles, he is still a great left tackle.

[skinsfan_nn]

Plain and simple. It ALL starts up front. And our front five ought to take a good look in the mirror!

We need to get hot now and get on a winning run at the right time, which is NOW. For this to happen the front five better get it together (if they are capable, at this point), very quickly as in before Sunday at Seattle.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Someone mentioned shotgun...I mentioned this like a month ago....and we rarely see it.
Rollouts are rare too.

One thing about Gibbs, when the Oline needed help, he adjusted.

Zorn does not adjust....his "Rookiness" has been showing for a month.
That is why when everyone was saying he was a "5" out of 5....I still graded him a 3.
He hasn't been tested yet....now, he has been a couple games straight and he just has not kept ahead of the curve.
He better get his crap together soon or we may just be vanilla all the way out of the playoff race.

Considering that we have the same line coach, scheme, and players, I'm not sure that I agree with this. As much as it sucks to say I think the O-line's non-rookiness has been showing for a month. The guys are getting old and showing a real inability to handle more athletic pass-rushers. Rabach and Jansen have been liabilities all season but, unfortunately, the whole unit appears to be regressing.

This is not a knee-jerk overreaction, we have a big problem here.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Considering that we have the same line coach, scheme, and players, I'm not sure that I agree with this. As much as it sucks to say I think the O-line's non-rookiness has been showing for a month. The guys are getting old and showing a real inability to handle more athletic pass-rushers. Rabach and Jansen have been liabilities all season but, unfortunately, the whole unit appears to be regressing.

This is not a knee-jerk overreaction, we have a big problem here.

I think many of us are struggling to accept this - I know I am and reading through most of the threads right now it shows up a lot. Remember we also had a big problem last year w/ the o-line. Yeah I know there were a slew of unforeseen injuries but doesn't that just make the case for better (hopefully much better depth). Don't mistake me here. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone on this board. We're the fans, the spectators looking on w/o most of the info the people running the team have available to them. We see game day. We don't see how back-ups, or rookies prior to opening day, are progressing.

What's mind-boggling is that since '07 the FO didn't do anything about the line or to get an impact receiver (already familiar w/ the WCO) who could at least give us a shot at rounding out the offense.

[53Fan]

I've said before that if this line was as good as they think they are we'd have the leading rusher and passer every year. I thought it was great when Zorn sat Jansen down in favor of Heyer to let these guys know reputation does'nt count for s**t, performance does. Afterwards, Jansen picked his game up a bit. I like these guys, even Rabach. But liking them and thinking they're funny when they do interviews etc. has nothing to do with how they play on the field. These guys need a reality check just like Jansen got. With maybe the exception of Samuels (injury) and Kendall, they need to step up or hit the bench and let the rookies take a shot. We won 4 in a row with Fabini and Heyer in there last year. If we're not going to win because of our o-line play, at least let the young guys get some experience. I want to go to the playoffs, but if the line keeps playing like this...we're not going far.

[skinsfan_nn]

10 sacks allowed in TWO games. 26 all season. These are staggering numbers! No pass pro = bottom barrel o-line against the rush.

Redskins Renew Emphasis On Pass Protection

[Dirtbag59]

I thought I posted this before but apparently I closed my browser before I had a chance.

Anyway I feel like the problem with the all the sacks and the problem with the offense in general is the fact that we're barely trying to push the ball downfield. I realize Zorn might have a big plan and the WCO is predicated on the short pass, but how many times did we really try to throw deep last night. Once or twice, maybe more?

If my theory is correct the last few teams we've played have no respect for our deep ball. Even though we have Moss and a cannon arm in Campbell. It seems Zorn has become content with just running slants, curls, and screens. What I want to know is wheres the posts, corners, hitch n' go's (in theory a great route considering what we're doing now)? In the meantime opponents seem to feel pretty comfortable running suicide blitzes knowing we're probably going to try something short rather then making them pay deep with Cooley or Moss. In the meantime the running game suffers because teams have realzied we're not going deep and as an extension of that we can't run play action, which seems to be Zorn's prefence when it comes to going long.

In conclusion I think the key to future success is incorporating the deep ball to push defenses back. Either way I want to see the offense that beat the Cowboys, Saints, and Cardinals. Not the monstrosety (SP?) that we saw on opening night against the Giants.