What if ... (the Rookie Class gets it)

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait a minute, you mean what if we had some patience and let our draft picks develop the same way we (meaning the team, not the fans) let Rogers, Campbell, and others develop? You mean what if we realized draft picks are not generally All-Pros by the 10th game of their career? What a novel concept!

Oh, come on SS. Nobody expected All-Pro seasons from Davis, Thomas, and Kelly.

Wasn't it reasonable to expect more than 13 catches and 89 yards combined from all three? You're making it sound as if we were expecting the equivalent of Irvin, Harper, and Novacek with these guys.

After minicamps, OTAs, training camp, 5 preseason games and 10 regular season games you have the coaches saying that they're still struggling with the playbook.

You can't tell me that these are typical rookie results. There are rookies throughout the league putting all our second round picks to shame.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Oh, come on SS. Nobody expected All-Pro seasons from Davis, Thomas, and Kelly.

Wasn't it reasonable to expect more than 13 catches and 89 yards combined from all three? You're making it sound as if we were expecting the equivalent of Irvin, Harper, and Novacek with these guys.

After minicamps, OTAs, training camp, 5 preseason games and 10 regular season games you have the coaches saying that they're still struggling with the playbook.

You can't tell me that these are typical rookie results. There are rookies throughout the league putting all our second round picks to shame.

The way some people have been posting lately, it sure seems like people are expecting All-Pro numbers. Yes, it's reasonable to expect more at this point. But at the same time, it's seems rather unreasonable to call them busts or blame them for the team's struggles.

I think rookies not making a huge impact on their team through their first 10 games is more the norm, than the exception.

For what it's worth, Irvin's rookie year 32 catches, 5 TDs; Novacek 1 for4 yards; Harper 20 for 326 yards and 1 TD

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Oh, come on SS. Nobody expected All-Pro seasons from Davis, Thomas, and Kelly.

Wasn't it reasonable to expect more than 13 catches and 89 yards combined from all three? You're making it sound as if we were expecting the equivalent of Irvin, Harper, and Novacek with these guys.

After minicamps, OTAs, training camp, 5 preseason games and 10 regular season games you have the coaches saying that they're still struggling with the playbook.

You can't tell me that these are typical rookie results. There are rookies throughout the league putting all our second round picks to shame.

At the same time, it's too early to tell who is most responsible for that production, and who will be successful in the future.

I think the chances that all three pan out after this rookie season are pretty astronomical. However, I don't think the chance is a whole lot greater that none of them turn out. And it's still too early to lump all three of them together as busts, especially when the most explosive and talented of the three is just now ready to make his way onto the field.

When Malcolm Kelly gets involved in the offense here, I expect those numbers to go up. At least give them these final six games to show they belong.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Oh, come on SS. Nobody expected All-Pro seasons from Davis, Thomas, and Kelly.

Wasn't it reasonable to expect more than 13 catches and 89 yards combined from all three? You're making it sound as if we were expecting the equivalent of Irvin, Harper, and Novacek with these guys.

After minicamps, OTAs, training camp, 5 preseason games and 10 regular season games you have the coaches saying that they're still struggling with the playbook.

You can't tell me that these are typical rookie results. There are rookies throughout the league putting all our second round picks to shame.

We run a pass offense predicated on timing and precision. Our two WRs draft basically missed all of training camp when the offenses are installed and practice. They don't practice the offense technically during the season. They implement the game plans. If they didn't get the work involving their timing and routes before the season I DO see why they are struggling to get things perfectly right. I question more about our use of them than about their abilities. I think if we loosen the reins a bit and got them coached up on a small chunk of the play-book and used them for that we'd better off than waiting for them to know everything perfectly. It seems we did that some with Kelly yesterday. Maybe Thomas is just a dope.

[GMScud]

I like this thread.

I've been a big critic of Devin Thomas so far, becuase he's been 100% healthy all year, and has struggled to see the field becuase of mental miscues/playbook blunders. For someone as physically gifted as he is, missing out on playing time becuase you aren't studying hard enough is inexcusable.

Kelly has great potential but hasn't been healthy- I put that on our front office becuase they knew full well he had a knee issue prior to the draft. Hopefully it's behind him now, but we'll see.

Fred Davis never had much hope of producing this year, or any year as long as Cooley is healthy. Cooley is a pro-bowl TE in his mid-20's. Why we'd use a high pick for his back up seems kinda silly.

WHAT IF we had used 1 or 2 of those top 3 picks to build a stronger line of scrimmage (on either side of the ball), and ALSO drafted the best WR available with 1 of those picks as well?