JC is not what I thought part two

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by DesertHog

The jury is still out on Campbell but he has shown enough progression this season to give him a break for now.

Huh? He really only had what 3-4 games where we can say he played like a pro-bowler. The other wins came on the back of Clinton Portis. Blame the O-line or play calling...I'm just calling a spade a spade.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Huh? He really only had what 3-4 games where we can say he played like a pro-bowler. The other wins came on the back of Clinton Portis. Blame the O-line or play calling...I'm just calling a spade a spade.

Jason played at an outstanding level in four games, poorly in four games and okay in two games. That, to me, is reason enough to give him more time to prove himself. To those who think otherwise, please consider the following:

(1) Jason is a FAR superior QB than his predecessors. In the past decade or so I have suffered through Heath Shuler Gus Frerotte, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerfel, Tim Hasselbeck and a few others. Jason is, by far, the best of the bunch. The thought of going through another decade or so searching for a better option at quarterback makes me sick to my stomach.

(2) Quality free agent QBs don't grow on trees. In the past few years, how many teams have found a quality, young quarterback in free agency? Not many. New Orleans is the only team I can think of, and they took a MAJOR gamble in signing Brees. He signed a monster contract after coming off of an injury that threatened his career. How many great QBs are hitting the free agent market this offseason? None. Matt Cassel will likely hit free agency, but if JC doesn't please you, neither will Matt Cassel.

(3) Colt is NOT ready. Yes, we all know Colt Brennan has that "it" boy quality. But, that "it" factor doesn't mean squat. One day he might be a fine QB, but he's not there yet. He looked great in 2 games and struggled mightily in 2 others against 3rd stringers (many of whom have never played a single down in a regular season NFL game). If he struggled to move the ball and put up decent stats against guys who couldn't make other teams' practice squads, what in the world makes you think he'll excel against starting NFL defensive units? Yes, I am aware of the whole "he was drafted in the 6th round like Tom Brady" argument. However, not only is that argument unpersuasive, it's grade A tarded. So please spare me that garbage.

The point isn't that Jason is the best quarterback. The point is Jason is the best option we have right now, and he'll likely be the best option we have next season as well.

[GTripp0012]

In somewhat related news, I'd like to see Brennan move up to No. 2 on the depth chart...next season.

[wilsowilso]

Jason Campbell does many things well and he is gaining experience. Hopefully coach Zorn will figure out how to maximize his talents to the fullest. JC works hard and he is talented so why not give him maximum support until he hits a clear and definite plateau. I just hope we don't sign him long term until the end of next season. That seems to be the window of time that makes the most sense with regards to assesing his progression as a player.

Great defenses are exposing this team right now, but I'm not sure what that even means? I kind of feel like the coaches aren't exactly sure either.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Jason Campbell does many things well and he is gaining experience. Hopefully coach Zorn will figure out how to maximize his talents to the fullest. JC works hard and he is talented so why not give him maximum support until he hits a clear and definite plateau. I just hope we don't sign him long term until the end of next season. That seems to be the window of time that makes the most sense with regards to assesing his progression as a player.

Great defenses are exposing this team right now, but I'm not sure what that even means? I kind of feel like the coaches aren't exactly sure either.

Ditto, JC needs another year in this system. He hasn't earned a contract yet barring a good finish to this season. He's got, what 10 TD passes all season in 12 games. I think it would be premature to give him a contract at this point.

I like JC and I like the improvement he has shown. However, there are a lot of QB's out there that can be fairly successful when things are going well. When you've got a CP running for 150 yards it opens some things up. When you've got a oline blocking well, you can scan the field. What the elite QB do, is to find ways of scoring points and winning. I'm not convinced yet w/ JC. I do hope we've found our QB but i'm not going to annoint him yet.

[NWFanMan]

It seemed to me that JC made 3 1st down throws that were dropped (Thrash, Kelly, Ell), that was all in the first half because I couldn't watch after JC interception in the 3rd Qrt. Yes, probably not the best pass but nothing else was working and we were down by alot and he needed to 'force' something.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Jason played at an outstanding level in four games, poorly in four games and okay in two games. That, to me, is reason enough to give him more time to prove himself. To those who think otherwise, please consider the following:

(1) Jason is a FAR superior QB than his predecessors. In the past decade or so I have suffered through Heath Shuler Gus Frerotte, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerfel, Tim Hasselbeck and a few others. Jason is, by far, the best of the bunch. The thought of going through another decade or so searching for a better option at quarterback makes me sick to my stomach.

(2) Quality free agent QBs don't grow on trees. In the past few years, how many teams have found a quality, young quarterback in free agency? Not many. New Orleans is the only team I can think of, and they took a MAJOR gamble in signing Brees. He signed a monster contract after coming off of an injury that threatened his career. How many great QBs are hitting the free agent market this offseason? None. Matt Cassel will likely hit free agency, but if JC doesn't please you, neither will Matt Cassel.

(3) Colt is NOT ready. Yes, we all know Colt Brennan has that "it" boy quality. But, that "it" factor doesn't mean squat. One day he might be a fine QB, but he's not there yet. He looked great in 2 games and struggled mightily in 2 others against 3rd stringers (many of whom have never played a single down in a regular season NFL game). If he struggled to move the ball and put up decent stats against guys who couldn't make other teams' practice squads, what in the world makes you think he'll excel against starting NFL defensive units? Yes, I am aware of the whole "he was drafted in the 6th round like Tom Brady" argument. However, not only is that argument unpersuasive, it's grade A tarded. So please spare me that garbage.

The point isn't that Jason is the best quarterback. The point is Jason is the best option we have right now, and he'll likely be the best option we have next season as well.

Stop with all the common sense, logic and level headed thinking! Don't you realize that Campbell has the ability to make his receivers catch balls that hit them right in the hands or numbers? Don't you realize that Campbell should be running this offense like Brady, Manning, etc? Why can't Campbell make Thomas and Kelly learn a new offense (while he is learning it) run perfect routes and catch every ball thrown their way? Wow man, you just don't get it do you?

[Jake2008]

IMO the jury is still out on JC. He is obviously not Elway and is not going to win games on his own, but he still makes plays when given time. He is an average QB and hopefully will improve thou time is running out for him to take that step.

But in fairness our oline sucks. Teams can rush 4-5 guys and get pressure on Campbell which means they have 6-7 guys covering the pass. Notice how every receiver seems to have 3 defenders around them even thou Campbell is having to scramble or get rid of the ball because of the pressure. Bottom line our pass protection just sucks and that isn't Campbell's fault. Teams don't even need to blitz us anymore to get pressure.

[Takeuon]

Well I'm definitely NOT about replacing him. But he still manages to be very indecisive at times and his over use of the pump fake is getting outta hand. Oh...would be nice to not stare down the receiver the entire time you know your going to be throwing to him.
That being said.....
Of course the O-line is somewhat responsible as well. But he still is missing something....I think its time in a system.

[firstdown]

The announcer yesterday said that JC was dropping back way too far and that he was going back right into the area that the Giants ends were driving into. Sure enough on the very next play I watched as he dropped back so far that he was in the way of his linemen pushing the Giants ends around the pocket. If he would have only dropped back have the distance he would have had a nice pocket to throw from. I saw this happen on several plays and I guess not one of the coaches noticed telling him he was dropping back into sacks. So on some of the plays where the Giants ends got preasure it was not our O lines fault.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Takeuon

Well I'm definitely NOT about replacing him. But he still manages to be very indecisive at times and his over use of the pump fake is getting outta hand. Oh...would be nice to not stare down the receiver the entire time you know your going to be throwing to him.
That being said.....
Of course the O-line is somewhat responsible as well. But he still is missing something....I think its time in a system.

The unfortunate part is that he's been in the league awhile now and still makes the same mistakes any rookie makes. I just dont see JC making the progress that need to be made.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

The unfortunate part is that he's been in the league awhile now and still makes the same mistakes any rookie makes. I just dont see JC making the progress that need to be made.

Can you point out 3 "rookie" mistakes that Campbell made yesterday that contributed to the loss?

Apparently you are more knowledgeable than Coach Zorn who sees tremendous progress in Campbell. washingtonpost.com

[MTK]

JC has shown considerable progress this year, just look at the completion %, INT % (and the decrease in fumbles too), and overall QB rating.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Can you point out 3 "rookie" mistakes that Campbell made yesterday that contributed to the loss?

Apparently you are more knowledgeable than Coach Zorn who sees tremendous progress in Campbell. washingtonpost.com

Dropping too deep, locking onto receivers, poor decision making. What's Zorn going to say, he stinks? He would never say that to the media and currently JC is the best QB (for better or worse) that the Skins have. I still think if JZ or Snyder could get Kassel or even Brady in some kind of trade they would do it in a minute.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

Dropping too deep, locking onto receivers, poor decision making. What's Zorn going to say, he stinks? He would never say that to the media and currently JC is the best QB (for better or worse) that the Skins have. I still think if JZ or Snyder could get Kassel or even Brady in some kind of trade they would do it in a minute.

Dropping too deep?? Do you understand ANYTHING about the QB position?

So you see him locking onto receivers but Zorn says, if anything, he moves off his receivers too quickly? Hmm..

Specifically what poor decisions is he making? Last I checked he's got the fewest interceptions of a starting QB in the league. Doesn't that reflect good decision making?

Zorn is unfailingly honest. If Campbell was stinking, he'd say it. When everyone killed Thomas for dropping the 1st down against Dallas, Zorn put it completely on Campbell. When Sellers dropped the TD last week, Zorn put it on Campbell. He's not coddling JC in the media to protect his feelings.

It'd really be simpler if you just said you don't like Campbell, never have and never will rather than trying to formulate an argument that clearly has zero merit.