There's No Quarterback Controversy

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by charlielyons

its real simple......without Portis, we would be well below a 500 team. Campbell cannot carry the team if he had to. He never has had to carry the team and hes not getting it done.

No teams win with just a QB. Ask Marino. Even the colts offense a few years ago limped into the playoffs and played a different ballgame when bob sanders came back to shore up their D.

We can definitely win with Campbell. We just need a better team around him. Colt Brennan would not be anywhere near 7 wins right now. I don't know how long you've been watching football (in particular the redskins) but guys like Ryan and Flacco are coming into teams (falcons surprisingly) with excellent ground games and good defenses. Neither are winning their division either, and both have very similar records to the redskins...

[charlielyons]

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

No teams win with just a QB. Ask Marino. Even the colts offense a few years ago limped into the playoffs and played a different ballgame when bob sanders came back to shore up their D.

We can definitely win with Campbell. We just need a better team around him. Colt Brennan would not be anywhere near 7 wins right now. I don't know how long you've been watching football (in particular the redskins) but guys like Ryan and Flacco are coming into teams (falcons surprisingly) with excellent ground games and good defenses. Neither are winning their division either, and both have very similar records to the redskins...

but each of those teams are showing signs of improvement each week and the skins have the NFLs leading rusher. He takes 2 steps forward and 5 back alot.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

No teams win with just a QB. Ask Marino. Even the colts offense a few years ago limped into the playoffs and played a different ballgame when bob sanders came back to shore up their D.

We can definitely win with Campbell. We just need a better team around him. Colt Brennan would not be anywhere near 7 wins right now. I don't know how long you've been watching football (in particular the redskins) but guys like Ryan and Flacco are coming into teams (falcons surprisingly) with excellent ground games and good defenses. Neither are winning their division either, and both have very similar records to the redskins...

If Marino was our Qb , we would be scoring 27 pts per game . We have a great ground game and the # 3 defense . WR's and JC are not getting it done at the moment

[JLW428]

Originally Posted by budw38

If Marino was our Qb , we would be scoring 27 pts per game . We have a great ground game and the # 3 defense . WR's and JC are not getting it done at the moment

How is JC supposed to get it done without a WR core? Yell at them to get open down feild? Force them to catch the ball? The WRs are the ones that are making JC look worse than he really is.

[prinzeofmoval]

Originally Posted by JLW428

How is JC supposed to get it done without a WR core? Yell at them to get open down feild? Force them to catch the ball? The WRs are the ones that are making JC look worse than he really is.

No Jc makes himself look bad sometimes. Hell Brady outside of last year did it without big named recievers. Hines Ward is Pittsburgh only and yet Big Ben still moves the ball. He else does Jake Delhomme have to pass to other then Steve Smith? Dree Brees recievers was injured al season but he put work in. Lets stop covering for this damn kid and speak of the elephant in the room.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

No Jc makes himself look bad sometimes. Hell Brady outside of last year did it without big named recievers.

Well if Tom Brady can do it, then everyone should be able to do it. Right?

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Hines Ward is Pittsburgh only and yet Big Ben still moves the ball.

How about former 1st round picks Santonio Holmes and Heath Miller? Not to mention the fact that Jason Campbell is having a MUCH, MUCH better year than Ben Roethelisberger.

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

He else does Jake Delhomme have to pass to other then Steve Smith?

Jake Delhomme doesn't have a bunch of targets, but he's not having a stellar year either. Have you seen any of the Panthers games? Delhomme makes Campbell look like an All-Pro stud.

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Dree Brees recievers was injured al season but he put work in. Lets stop covering for this damn kid and speak of the elephant in the room.

If you want to compare our QB to the likes of Tom Brady and Drew Brees be prepared to be disappointed year after year.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Well if Tom Brady can do it, then everyone should be able to do it. Right?



How about former 1st round picks Santonio Holmes and Heath Miller? Not to mention the fact that Jason Campbell is having a MUCH, MUCH better year than Ben Roethelisberger.



Jake Delhomme doesn't have a bunch of targets, but he's not having a stellar year either. Have you seen any of the Panthers games? Delhomme makes Campbell look like an All-Pro stud.



If you want to compare our QB to the likes of Tom Brady and Drew Brees be prepared to be disappointed year after year.

Great post. Dont you love how people dont respond back when you throw a great argument at them?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by JLW428

How is JC supposed to get it done without a WR core? Yell at them to get open down feild? Force them to catch the ball? The WRs are the ones that are making JC look worse than he really is.

Funny last year when our no name back up entered the game we did not have a problem with our passing game and moving the ball.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny last year when our no name back up entered the game we did not have a problem with our passing game and moving the ball.

As JLC noted in that article, if you compare Collins numbers over those games and Campbell's numbers over the past 4 games they are almost identical! The biggest difference was Portis was running wild at the end of last year and he is injured now.

Seriously guys, anyone who thinks we've got a QB controversy or should be starting Collins or Brennan is just completely clueless. Teams with a WINNING RECORD don't bench their 25 yr old QB (to the genius who said 'play the young guy') who hasn't turned the ball over, hasn't looked like a complete buffoon and hadn't cost the team games.

[Paintrain]

From the JLC article:

Originally Posted by Jason LaCanfora

So what are the arguments for Collins?

He's more accurate? Collins completed 63.8 percent of his passes during his four games in the regular season last season. Campbell is completing 63.8 percent of his passes this season. Collins, for all the mystique of those games, threw for 888 yards. Campbell, even given the plight of this offense, has thrown for 826 yards over the past four games, essentially the same thing.

Collins got the ball in the end zone five times down the stretch in 2007, but he, unlike Campbell, wasn't facing three of the better pass-rushing defenses in the four-week span(let's remember the losses came to Pittsburgh, Dallas and the Giants, not exactly the Bengals and Lions). Yes, there are problems in the red zone, but it's a lack of playmakers, not the quarterback.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny last year when our no name back up entered the game we did not have a problem with our passing game and moving the ball.

Ummm...Is Al Saunders still the Offensive Coordinator..Uh no!! That's why there was no problem. he have been learning "that" offense for almost 10 years. So he knew the ins and out. So to think he can come in his first year and do better than JC is uneducated to say the least. he looked horrible in preseason. JC isn't the most mobile QB. But imagine Collins when the line breaks down as it often does..

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny last year when our no name back up entered the game we did not have a problem with our passing game and moving the ball.

Different offense, different circumstances, and there were other factors at play than just the QB play.

[A10sROCK]

Zorn has developed QB to their max potential for many years. He knows if JC has the goods or not. For the rest of this season he will play JC and the rest of the starters. He inherited most of the offense and has to see them through the season.

Jason Campbell has had a QB rating of around 75 the last 3 seasons. He is slowly sinking back to that level this season. Bottom Line is the 70 QB range is simply not good enough for a LONG TERM franchise QB. Not after 4 seasons.

I hope JC improves to the level he started this season at. If he doesn't then sometime next season there WILL BE a QB controversy.