blow it up

[SOUL-SKINS]

Amen......All these fools who think Zorn and Campbell are the answer are ****ed up in the head. Bill Cowher should be the coach next year. Why waste any more time with these medicore players and coaches. Betts, ARE , Suisham, Campbell, Washington, Smoot, Plac, Thrash, Jansen, Rabach..........let me just stop right here, take a deep breath and walk away from my computer. Sorry for anyone who wasted time reading this.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Amen......All these fools who think Zorn and Campbell are the answer are ****ed up in the head. Bill Cowher should be the coach next year. Why waste any more time with these medicore players and coaches. Betts, ARE , Suisham, Campbell, Washington, Smoot, Plac, Thrash, Jansen, Rabach..........let me just stop right here, take a deep breath and walk away from my computer. Sorry for anyone who wasted time reading this.

So basically, why be mediocre now when we can be terrible now and mediocre later?

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So basically, why be mediocre now when we can be terrible now and mediocre later?

GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.

Well, your solutions don't make me think you just want to win. Makes me think that as long as Snyder gets angry and spills his wrath everywhere and fires everyone, you'll feel better about this.

There's also the whole overreaction period that we're in now, before people start to realize that Campbell pitched a very good game today, and that the running game and run after catch game (Cooley) is what killed us today, not the passing game.

But at no point should it be suggested that we blow it all up. Though I'm not surprised that the thread-beginner thinks the way he does, he's generally not right about much.

[Smooter]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

he's generally not right about much.

Yeah, judging by this thread holcknowsleast.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.

Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.

Good post and analysis, thanks.

[wolfeskins]

the skins need to keep the coaching staff (for the most part)but the skins do need to get rid of some players like suishum,jansen,washington,springs and a few others. the skins need to upgrade the o-line, the d-line and the kicking game.

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

the skins need to keep the coaching staff (for the most part)but the skins do need to get rid of some players like suishum,jansen,washington,springs and a few others. the skins need to upgrade the o-line, the d-line and the kicking game.

At the very least I see major over haul of the assistant coaches. I don't see many of the current Off assistants staying and I could see Zorn bringing assistant from Seattle to replace them. I think Blanche retires and we have to find a new D staff.

[HoosForCooley]

Here is how I feel, I have been a life long 30 year Redskins fan and UVA fan. I have been watching mediocre football for almost half my life. I think we need a few core changes.

1. Coach. I know I will get crushed for this but we need someone with emotion. Someone who reminds these guys that they are playing a tough sport and not just a paycheck.

2. DEPTH! Look at these other teams, they have fresh guys who can come in and make plays. We have Portis and Santana but literally it stops there. Not one capable backup.

3. Some sort of line. Campbell is a fine QB, but right now he is looking around and rushing because he basically has no time to get rid of the ball. He has regressed this because he is basically a tackling dummy for the other team.

We are an old tired team. Its time to drop Vinny and get a real GM in here. He plays real football like it is a game of madden. Signing veterans and trading for older player with draft picks. We are basically an emotional roller coaster.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by HoosForCooley

Here is how I feel, I have been a life long 30 year Redskins fan and UVA fan. I have been watching mediocre football for almost half my life. I think we need a few core changes.

1. Coach. I know I will get crushed for this but we need someone with emotion. Someone who reminds these guys that they are playing a tough sport and not just a paycheck.

2. DEPTH! Look at these other teams, they have fresh guys who can come in and make plays. We have Portis and Santana but literally it stops there. Not one capable backup.

3. Some sort of line. Campbell is a fine QB, but right now he is looking around and rushing because he basically has no time to get rid of the ball. He has regressed this because he is basically a tackling dummy for the other team.

We are an old tired team. Its time to drop Vinny and get a real GM in here. He plays real football like it is a game of madden. Signing veterans and trading for older player with draft picks. We are basically an emotional roller coaster.

I agree with you. The skins problem is they lack depth and are old. All teams have to do is take Portis and Moss out of the game and then you have no other options. Cooley hasn't really been able to be used this year because he has to spend so much time help blocking.

Look at a team like the Giants. The don't miss a beat when their star DE, RB, and WR have been out of games. The skins are not that type of team.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Who is out there that is alot better? What QB that is really good in going to be FA in the offseason? What QB who is really good would want to play for the skins??? No one is going to trade Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben. Skins have 5 draft picks and have major issures they need to address. They can't really afford to draft a QB. They are team with QB who play worse than Campbell (i.e. Vikings, Panthers, Titans) who are going to make the playoffs.

If you think JC is better than Jake Delhomme your sadly mistaken. I think JC should have some competition next preseason. I do agree we have other major issue's to address in the draft. Colt will be #2 next year. If JC struggles you won't see him again unless Colt gets hurt. LISTEN... EITHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T. JC DOES NOT.....YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE.....just an O.K. Qb.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

If you think JC is better than Jake Delhomme your sadly mistaken. I think JC should have some competition next preseason. I do agree we have other major issue's to address in the draft. Colt will be #2 next year. If JC struggles you won't see him again unless Colt gets hurt. LISTEN... EITHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T. JC DOES NOT.....YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE.....just an O.K. Qb.

Campbell is a lot better than Jake Delhomme. It's not even close this year, and Delhomme even has Steve Smith.

What is this either you have it or you don't garbage? Campbell has most if not all of the qualities a good QB needs. You can't make up a dualism: good QBs and bad QBs, and then assert that Campbell is an "Ok" QB and belongs in neither category.

Congratulations, you just broke multiple logical rules...that we're created by you and are likely wrong and oversimplifed to begin with.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell is a lot better than Jake Delhomme. It's not even close this year, and Delhomme even has Steve Smith.

What is this either you have it or you don't garbage? Campbell has most if not all of the qualities a good QB needs. You can't make up a dualism: good QBs and bad QBs, and then assert that Campbell is an "Ok" QB and belongs in neither category.

Congratulations, you just broke multiple logical rules...that we're created by you and are likely wrong and oversimplifed to begin with.

You honestly think Campbell is or will be an elite QB in the NFL. Wow.
Jake has battled injuries this year by the way and yes he is having average season but he took his team to the ****ing Super Bowl and a Conference Championship game by his 5th year. This is Campbell's 4th year. So how is JC better. Please explain why. You seem to have all the answers. Not to mention the Panthers are 11-3 this year with Jake at Qb.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

GTripp, we all agree something must change. Cowher is proven, boring but proven. I like Zorn as much as anybody but I think he is more of a coordinator. As far as Campbell goes i just think there is alot better out there.
We are all pissed off right now. I live for this shit. I wake up every Sunday morning like its Christmas for kids. It ****ing breaks my heart when we lose. I just want to win.

I don't know who should go. I don't know who should stay. I'm not sure if its coaching cause we have been through two head coach's, two different co-ordinators, and three different offensive scheme's in Gibbs, Saunders and Zorn. Could it be the players who for the most part have not changed in 5-6 yrs? Same players, same old "blue collar" players? I don't know....maybe it's ownership. Maybe it's everyone trying too hard including the owner. What I don't like to see is Zorn not making adjustments. He seems to think putting the same offensive plays on the field every week will work and blaming it on "execution." Perhaps its due to injuries, players abilities, or lack of knowlege of his scheme but it ticks me off that for what ever reason other teams seem to know what he's going to do and how he's going to do it. He's not catching other teams off guard. Yes,he will throw in a trick play here and there but we should not have to resort to trick plays to score. His offense does not resemble Seattles, or the Eagles, or the Bucs, or anyone. It has no identity. We can't run probably due to injuries. We can't pass....why? maybe injuries on the line but other then that why? We have two second rounders who should be making strides. Should be helping the team. Don't say learning curve please. Look at the other WR's and how they are doing on their teams. Fairly well I believe. So did we pick the wrong WR's? or is it the position coach not training well enough?

I know it takes more then a year to learn an offense. No problem. But to incorperate the two new WR very little when that's what we needed in the off season and knew we needed taller WR to help out and not use them is beyond me. If everyone knew there was a learning curve of about 2 yrs then rookies were not going to help us. Why didn't we look at some of the vetrans that were available ...ie CJ...although he was taken off the table, Williams who went to Dallas. We needed one tall player who was a difference maker and a WR from the draft for our future.