Cerrato Vaguely Explains Draft Strategy (with Questionable Evidence)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You say Vinnie is so stupid that nobody else in the NFL would hire him and then you conclude that he deserves two more years at the helm. Huh? I don't begin to understand your reasoning.

If he's too stupid to hold the position anywhere else, shouldn't your conclusion have been that he should be taken out of the job?

Just for the sake of keeping things together. If a new GM comes in then he's going to blow the whole thing up... new coaches, new systems and so on. He's only had one off season by himself. As bad as this draft looks, we can't judge it after one year. We all need to be a little more patient.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What Vinny says here is really really stupid. First he says not to draft for need, then he says we have the west coast offense and it NEEDS big wr's. So isn't it funny how we draft two big wr's in the 2nd round? Sorry Vinny but we drafted for need. He is one dumb dude who would never have a job in the NFL if it wasn't for Snyder. You see when Marty fired him no came knocking on his door. But with that being said, I think he deserves two more years of running things by himself. Everyone wants to blame him for all of the past moves, but some of that falls on Gibbs.

I like how you give an example of how Vinny contradicted himself and then you bad mouth him, which leads you to say that he should be given two more years. If he is "really really stupid" why would you want him here for two more years.?????

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I like how you give an example of how Vinny contradicted himself and then you bad mouth him, which leads you to say that he should be given two more years. If he is "really really stupid" why would you want him here for two more years.?????

More than anything I just think we need to keep things together around here. New GM means new coaches.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Freaking Larry Michael, Right, right, right, Vinny! You are so true! Get someone in there to ask the tought questions.

What about D lineman? Why Fred Davis?

Ask the tough questions. This isn't the first draft Cerrato has screwed up.

[BrunellMVP?]

Vinny needs to go...he's a yes man and he's not proven to consistently draft well (in past few years) beyond lottery picks- don't toss out 2 names in the last 5 years as proof (even a broken clock is right twice a day...)

Bottom line, we are not a GOOD drafting team- this needs to change.

Oh, and bring in a GM

[firstdown]

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

I'm no VC fan, but i was thinking the same thing. He's drafting on a combination of best overall and need. There was x amount of lineman he would have taken w/ the 21st pick. They were gone and he felt like the DE's at that level were not worth it. So we traded down. In the 2nd round, he felt like the WR's on the board served talent and a need. So, i see what's he doing.

I guess he felt no other lineman was worth one 2nd and he could get his guy (Rhinehart in the 3rd).

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I'm no VC fan, but i was thinking the same thing. He's drafting on a combination of best overall and need. There was x amount of lineman he would have taken w/ the 21st pick. They were gone and he felt like the DE's at that level were not worth it. So we traded down. In the 2nd round, he felt like the WR's on the board served talent and a need. So, i see what's he doing.

I guess he felt no other lineman was worth one 2nd and he could get his guy (Rhinehart in the 3rd).

Your common sense and rational approach has no place here!!!

Great post, best post in the thread. Agree 100%

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by firstdown

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

I agree, in fact he made this point right after the draft. does anyone think Jerod Mayo would've been a bad pick at #21? Vinny said that's who they hoped would fall to them, but he was gone.

I won't say Vinny is the man, but I will at least take up for him in that it looks like Snyder was part of the wr/te picks, since he's always coveted those playmakers. Vinny has only had one draft as the guy. Prior to that it was a 3 headed monster. I am not in any way ready to declare the 08 draft a bust. How many people on here have said that wr's typically don't produce much till year 3? Well, we have to be patient. I'm not saying our 2nd round picks don't deserve criticism, they deserve a lot of it. But that's part of the maturation process & each player goes through it differently.

Maybe Vinny has a plan; draft the skill players in 08, let them develop, then draft o & d line in 09 & 10. By then these players will have developed (w/some being busts too), most 30+ vets will have been replaced & JC will be in his prime.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by firstdown

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

You are probably right.... good point. But still, you can't justifiy NEVER drafting OL or DL before the 3rd round in almost 10 drafts. Its beyond stupid.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

You are probably right.... good point. But still, you can't justifiy NEVER drafting OL or DL before the 3rd round in almost 10 drafts. Its beyond stupid.

Maybe its the coaches telling Vinny who or what we need. I remember very well an interview with Bugel right at the begining of training camp how our O Line was firing off the ball and blowing up the D Line. He was not just saying this but was really excited and thought our O Line would be great this year. How do we know that he is not sitting there telling Vin that he was fine with who he had or maybe look latter in the draft for the O Line. I don't know myself but there is a good chance that was the case and I would think that all the coaches get together to talk about how we will approach the draft with Vin.

[Dirtbag59]

You know I was thinking about starting a thread concerning a similar issue in that we give Vinny shit for not drafting any lineman untill the end of the third round but in looking back I wonder who we could have drafted, and in a way Vinny might have been right about taking the BPA. Still part of me is suspicious considering Snyder's desire to add a playmaking reciever and the corresponding excuse that the recievers and TE selected just happened to be the BPA. Keep in mind I have no objection to Vinny's 2nd round trade down. Personally I thought it was one of the great moves in the draft.

I know the author of the article brought up Phillip Merling but unfortunately Merling is a moot point considering the fact that he was picked before we got a chance to get back onto the clock. Anyway heres a few guys that we should have considered drafting in the second round, keep in mind this doesn't include taking guys like Chris Horton and saying that he should have been taken earlier. This is based on current performance and draft status based on evaluations prior to April.

- Curtis Lofton - LB - Oklahoma - Productive Linebacker for the Falcons, God knows he need help at LB
- Chilo Rachel - G- USC - Would have made sense in terms of getting a lineman but I'm not sure that he was worth being taken this early
- Matt Forte - RB - Tulane - They were considering taking him and personally I wish we would have taken him if he lasted till Fred Davis's spot. He certainly qualifes as a potential best player available. Especially considering the fact that before the season I was concerned about how long Clinton would able to last. For the record love the guy (CP) to death but theres only so much punishment a human being can take
- Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State -Had the physical specs the team wanted in a Reciever and was more productive at the collegiate level then both Thomas and Kelly. Also is having a better year then both of them but that might be because Green Bay is more willing to give him a chance. Talk about keeping the white man down.
- Jordan Dizon - LB - Colorado - Would have made sense for us at WLB, but would have had to have been taken with our first 2nd round pick. Wouldn't have been to popular on draft day.
- Calias Campbell DE - Miami - Probably should have taken him where we took Fred Davis. At the very least it would have saved us a Second Round Pick in 2009. Then again he seems to have a similar playing style and talent level to our very own Demetric Evans.
- Trevor Laws DT - Notre Dame - Would have had to have been taken with our first pick. In retrospect though he's had health problems so maybe we dodged a bullet but still if he had been healthy then he might have been able to provide us with the push we needed up the middle to have an effective pass rush from Carter and Taylor.
- Jeremy Zuttah - OL - Rutgers - Would have been a perfect pick for us and he was available for each one of our 2nd round picks. From what I've heard he's played well and on top of that he can play anywhere on the line.
- Mike Pollack - C - Arizona State - Wouldn't have made a ton of sense on draft day as a lot of us still thought very highly of Rabach at the time but in terms of BPA he should have been high enough to at least recieve strong consideration for getting drafted by us
- Any Cornerback including Porter, Lee, Flowers - Personally I'm glad we didn't use a 2nd round pick on a Corner especially considering the fact that we got a top flight corner for virtually nothing (D. Hall) when originally we considering using a second round pick for.
- Quinton Groves - DE - Auburn - Not sure I would really wanted to get him in retrospect as I think our pass rushing woes aren't exactly a personell problem.
- Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - Looks like he's having a productive season for Bengals in all honesty it looks like he would have been a good fit here
- Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers - Honestly would have rather gotten Kelly.

So in retrospect, knowing how the draft turned out and looking at how this season turned out I think our ideal draft should have been as follows.

34th - Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State - They get the big productive Reciever they want, complete with a team first attitude. Not that Thomas has this problem, then again Kelly might but he hasn't shown it since he's been here.
48th - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - We get the big guy up the middle to help create a push and take pressure off our DE's.
51st - Jerremy Zutah - OL - Rutgers- Would have been perfect for us this year, especially considering he can play everywhere. Probably would be starting at RT this week.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

- Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - Looks like he's having a productive season for Bengals in all honesty it looks like he would have been a good fit here
- Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers - Honestly would have rather gotten Kelly.

So in retrospect, knowing how the draft turned out and looking at how this season turned out I think our ideal draft should have been as follows.

48th - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - We get the big guy up the middle to help create a push and take pressure off our DE's.

Didn't someone draft Sims for us in the Warpath Mock Draft

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Keep in mind I have no objection to Vinny's 2nd round trade down. Personally I thought it was one of the great moves in the draft.

So in retrospect, knowing how the draft turned out and looking at how this season turned out I think our ideal draft should have been as follows.

34th - Jordy Nelson - WR - Kansas State - They get the big productive Reciever they want, complete with a team first attitude. Not that Thomas has this problem, then again Kelly might but he hasn't shown it since he's been here.
48th - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - We get the big guy up the middle to help create a push and take pressure off our DE's.
51st - Jerremy Zutah - OL - Rutgers- Would have been perfect for us this year, especially considering he can play everywhere. Probably would be starting at RT this week.

I also thought the trade down effort was a great move, but I didn't care for the 2 WRs and 1 TE picks at the time. I was hoping for the WR/DT/OL combo you show!
Best assessment of this entire thread! Great job Dirtbag! Major props!

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by firstdown

People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.

No, Cerrato is coming off looking like an idiot. As many here point out he says you don't draft for need and then says that they needed tall receivers to run the west coast offense. Then he says there was a load of linemen they wanted but they were all gone by their pick...uh....maybe project and draft up then??

You don't always have to move back or stand pat.

Anyway, Cerrato is just throwing some smoke screen out there. I'm sure Danny was making the picks or at least told Cerrato to go get some offensive guys.