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[firstdown]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Playcalling hasn't been good for the last 8 weeks or so. There are some good calls sprinkled in here and there but for the most part it's been lacking.

Creativity is very important in today's game. I just don't know enough about Zorn to say he has it or doesn't have an ability to call plays. Right now, I haven't seen the creativity from him that i would like to see.

I like othesr have thought that it was pretty much all on our O Line but after watching the reduced replay of the Dallas/Giants game I'm now not so sure. My point. Both Dallas and the Giants O lines had a very tough time giving their QB's time to make plays and I think both O lines gave up more sacks then we did when we played against them. What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

I thought that Zorn did a good job adjusting the playcalling to the pressure; almost too good. My biggest gripe is that Zorn's limited the playcalling too much because of his worries about the offense line. Zorn seemed to rely almost entirely on the 3 step drop passing game to help protect an injured/struggling offense line. In the 2nd Dallas game i thought WR play was a bigger issue then the play-calling.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I like othesr have thought that it was pretty much all on our O Line but after watching the reduced replay of the Dallas/Giants game I'm now not so sure. My point. Both Dallas and the Giants O lines had a very tough time giving their QB's time to make plays and I think both O lines gave up more sacks then we did when we played against them. What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by redsk1

No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.

Our line didn't look as bad as it could because Zorn went to great lengths too protect them. As the offensive line play declined Zorn called more and more 3 step drop passes and now it seems like that's all we do hitches, quick outs and screens.

I seriously doubt that many people would agree with you that Indi and Dal have worse offensive line play then we do.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redsk1

No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.

Great post. Count Blache out of that group.

The OL takes too much of it. Through the Seattle game, they were opening holes for the running game, and keeping us above float. The problems were starting to form before they declined to current levels.

We still need to address the unit, obviously. But our issues go far deeper than our OL not being competitive.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Great post. Count Blache out of that group.

The OL takes too much of it. Through the Seattle game, they were opening holes for the running game, and keeping us above float. The problems were starting to form before they declined to current levels.

We still need to address the unit, obviously. But our issues go far deeper than our OL not being competitive.

The speculation remains endless as to who/what is at fault for the collapse this year and there is plenty of blame to go around.
When trying to correct any "process" or problem where multiple breakdowns may exist, note the following. It is done on a "worst first" basis.
While it is true, better QB play and other component play would have relieved some of the symtoms resulting in a better end result, the problem remains. Our O-line was run-over most of the year, and must be addressed. When that is fixed, what is the next "worst" problem. When the known problems have been addressed, see how they affect the "suspected" problems, and adjust accordingly.
In principle.............simple
And this is what we must do