A Different Take on the Redskins Personnel Strategy

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Or DeSean Jackson or Eddie Royal or Donnie Avery.....

The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

I wish we had the complimentary pieces that would allow us to use Moss out of the slot more often. That's what makes Welker so dangerous.

And Steve Smith is possibly the best weapon in the league right now. The guy is flat out amazing.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

Agreed. Talent evaluation is the problem.
Our FO drafted two WR's that did care enough to show up in shape to their first camp. That is why they slipped in the draft and were slow to develop. Not a good sign. I question are they the the type of dedicated athlete we want? Will they work hard in the future to improve?

With all of the injuries on the OL, I am really surprised and disappointed rookie Guard Chad Rinehart has not played more. He was a 3rd round draft pick, a relatively high pick. He could not outplay Jason Fabini? What does that say about what Rinehart is showing the coaches in practice? Stephon Heyer was started as a rookie last year over Fabini. Why is Rinehart not on the field and why hasn't he beaten out Fabini?
Justin Tyron, Durant Brooks....not good.
Chris Horton is the only draft pick that has looked good on an NFL field.
I know it is early, but so far not a good draft class.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Agreed. Talent evaluation is the problem.
Our FO drafted two WR's that did care enough to show up in shape to their first camp. That is why they slipped in the draft and were slow to develop. Not a good sign. I question are they the the type of dedicated athlete we want? Will they work hard in the future to improve?

With all of the injuries on the OL, I am really surprised and disappointed rookie Guard Chad Rinehart has not played more. He was a 3rd round draft pick, a relatively high pick. He could not outplay Jason Fabini? What does that say about what Rinehart is showing the coaches in practice? Stephon Heyer was started as a rookie last year over Fabini. Why is Rinehart not on the field and why hasn't he beaten out Fabini?
Justin Tyron, Durant Brooks....not good.
Chris Horton is the only draft pick that has looked good on an NFL field.
I know it is early, but so far not a good draft class.

Tryon and Brooks were certainly pretty bad picks.

Thomas has struggled to learn the offense, but Malcolm Kelly has had to deal with his knee injury. I do however put that one on the front office. We knew his knee was a red flag before we ever drafted him.

Chad Reinhart has been a disappointment. He hasn't even suited up for a game yet, and it's not like there's a huge learning curve on the O-line when transitioning from rookie to pro. Rookie O-lineman contribute all the time in the NFL - undrafted Stephon Heyer last year is a case in point. You can't label Reinhart a bust after one year, but the fact that we've had a line riddled with injuries and he still hasn't played a single snap... not good at all.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Tryon and Brooks were certainly pretty bad picks.

Thomas has struggled to learn the offense, but Malcolm Kelly has had to deal with his knee injury. I do however put that one on the front office. We knew his knee was a red flag before we ever drafted him.

Chad Reinhart has been a disappointment. He hasn't even suited up for a game yet, and it's not like there's a huge learning curve on the O-line when transitioning from rookie to pro. Rookie O-lineman contribute all the time in the NFL - undrafted Stephon Heyer last year is a case in point. You can't label Reinhart a bust after one year, but the fact that we've had a line riddled with injuries and he still hasn't played a single snap... not good at all.

You know what really frustrates me about this FO is Tyron is still on our roster. We can not even put him on the field he is so bad. Why are we wasting our time with him.
I would rather take a chance and steal another talented player off another teams developmental list. This is the time to do that. Maybe a young lineman?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

You know what really frustrates me about this FO is Tyron is still on our roster. We can not even put him on the field he is so bad. Why are we wasting our time with him.
I would rather take a chance and steal another talented player off another teams developmental list. This is the time to do that. Maybe a young lineman?

Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

I agree. When certain players are making the roster because of where they are drafted instead of the level of their play on the field, we are going to fail as a team Our FO is slow to cut their loses with certain players is they do not want to admit they were wrong for drafting them. Durant Brooks sucked in preseason, but yet he made the team.

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

With regards to Tryon I think there is a lot of ego involved with this one. They spent a moderately valuable draft pick on the guy and I think that means they are going to give him more of a window of opportunity than a guy like Torrence, who is probably a better player. I think that is sort of the way things go in the NFL...

[Sonny9TD]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah I'm not too sure why Tryon is on the roster. I thought he should have been released instead of Torrence earlier this year. They are both young and there's no question who the better player is at this point. Maybe they see his potential and think he's a worthy project. I don't know. If so, that's a mighty big project.

This is true.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think we will address our lines primarily in FA and use the draft to address our LB situation.

in a 4-3 defense, you can get by with just about anybody at LB if you have a dominant defensive line and secondary. Here is how i see our FA and draft playing out:

TRADE carlos Rogers for a 2nd round pick.
CUT Washington, Smoot, Taylor, Griff (yes, i think we keep Springs).
I also dont think we will count on McIntosh being a starter next year. This leaves us with the following STARTING NEEDS on defense in 2009:

1DT, 1DE, 2LB, #2/3CB

I also think we will see replacements for starters with players not currently on our roster at RT and C (Rinehart will replace Kendal at LG).

So that means our team will need 7 new starters (with players not currently on our roster) next year. here is how i think we will fill them:

Free Agency:
DT - Haynesworth will be the only "huge" FA signing. If we can't land him, I think we go with someone like Shaun Cody.
DE - Chris Canty is a good fit here. He won't break the bank and will be an upgrade over Taylor.
CB - Chris Gamble
OT - Mark Tauscher - Replaces Jansen immediately

Draft:
1st Round - Best OLB available. He will be a starter on opening day.
2nd Round - Best C Available. This guy will be our starter. I know we dont have a 2nd round pick, but i'm assuming we can get a 2nd rounder for Carlos Rogers from someone.
3rd Round - Best LB available. He will compete with McIntosh for the starting spot.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The reason none of these receivers were picked was due their size. Most fans and Skins personnel thought Moss, ARE and Lloyd were too small and wanted more physical receivers. Everyone was bitching about the size of our receivers so that's what we got. The moral of the story is that you can't go by the physical size of someone, it should be measured by the person heart/desire. Does Wes Welker ring a bell? How about Steve Smith, our own Santana Moss?

guys we've been talking for YEARS about how long it takes WRs to progress...how many times did we hear that THIS was the year Taylor Jacobs was going to dominate? Mike Westbrook? Desmond Howard? Albert Connell? McCants? Mix? Gardner (was good)? Of course its too early to label the WR class of 2008 a bust (just as it was with the other guys), but at some point in the near future, the walks like a duck, talks like a duck test must be implemented...