Five Things I'm Sure About (sort of)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sorry, but Jason Campbell is not a starting WCO quarterback and he never will be. The dude's 28 and we're still making excuses for him. Hes too scared to throw anything other than a check down or crossing pattern. The guy has no balls, its as simple as that.

We need to sign Garcia to groom Brennan if we plan on sticking with the WCO another year. JC will fail in the WCO in 2009 and that will only hurt his trade value. We should move him now for whatever we can get. Jason Campbell is not the future here. The sooner we move on, the better.

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, but this is just not going to happen, plain and simple. If he crashes and burns next year, which I highly doubt, then we'll probably see a change. But until then, expect JC at the helm.

And btw, happy 27th bday Jason!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, but this is just not going to happen, plain and simple. If he crashes and burns next year, which I highly doubt, then we'll probably see a change. But until then, expect JC at the helm.

And btw, happy 27th bday Jason!

Lol, right you are... apparently i lack the ability to do simple math. He is 27 today, not 28. Even still, Campbell is a terrible fit for the WCO. Scouts were saying it when we brought Zorn in last year, and Campbells performance this year did nothing to change that assessment.

I agree with you that Campbell WILL be our QB next year, but my point is that he SHOULDNT BE. The only reason Campbell is still here is because Danny and Vinny are desperately trying to prove that they didnt make a mistake by bringing in Zorn. OR, Snyder is planning on getting rid of Campbell, Vinny, and Zorn next year, bringing in Cowher, and letting him pick his QB.

In any case, Campbells trade value is only going to go downhill from here, so its my hope we move him while we can. Burgundy and Gold colored glasses are the only reason anyone can think he is a good fit for this system. Ive said it before and i'll keep saying it until Campbell and/or Zorn are gone. Campbell and Zorn = Square peg and round hole.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Lol, right you are... apparently i lack the ability to do simple math. He is 27 today, not 28. Even still, Campbell is a terrible fit for the WCO. Scouts were saying it when we brought Zorn in last year, and Campbells performance this year did nothing to change that assessment.

I agree with you that Campbell WILL be our QB next year, but my point is that he SHOULDNT BE. The only reason Campbell is still here is because Danny and Vinny are desperately trying to prove that they didnt make a mistake by bringing in Zorn. OR, Snyder is planning on getting rid of Campbell, Vinny, and Zorn next year, bringing in Cowher, and letting him pick his QB.

In any case, Campbells trade value is only going to go downhill from here, so its my hope we move him while we can. Burgundy and Gold colored glasses are the only reason anyone can think he is a good fit for this system. Ive said it before and i'll keep saying it until Campbell and/or Zorn are gone. Campbell and Zorn = Square peg and round hole.

You keep saying Campbell is a poor fit for the WCO, but you don't say why. He's big and mobile, we've seen him run, and he has a huge arm. I think his physical attributes are a good fit for any system. He has the size and poise to be strictly a pocket passer, but also the legs to scramble if he needs to.

I for one would like to see us use the shotgun more often.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You keep saying Campbell is a poor fit for the WCO, but you don't say why. He's big and mobile, we've seen him run, and he has a huge arm. I think his physical attributes are a good fit for any system. He has the size and poise to be strictly a pocket passer, but also the legs to scramble if he needs to.

I for one would like to see us use the shotgun more often.

the reasons why have been pointed out by some experts before the season started and are still being echoed at seasons end . . . does not get the ball out quick enough, does not have a quick release and a subjective reason is that some question whether he can read a D and make proper decisions . . .

JC is good, entering his 5th and last season of his K we still dont know if he is worth an extension. JC failed to quiet the doubters this year, hopefully he can put it together next year. I would love to see him be a skin for a long time, but he needs to progress at some point.

go skins!!

[44ever]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the reasons why have been pointed out by some experts before the season started and are still being echoed at seasons end . . . does not get the ball out quick enough, does not have a quick release and a subjective reason is that some question whether he can read a D and make proper decisions . . .

JC is good, entering his 5th and last season of his K we still dont know if he is worth an extension. JC failed to quiet the doubters this year, hopefully he can put it together next year. I would love to see him be a skin for a long time, but he needs to progress at some point.

go skins!!

He does seem to have trouble sensing pressure. Not sure exacltly what's going on there. I think once the current "scheme" matures and JC is given more liberty to make desisions rather than conforming so strictly to yet another scheme. We will see a very mobile and dangerous QB in JC. He looks very confused out there. Not sure it's all his fault. IMO

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the reasons why have been pointed out by some experts before the season started and are still being echoed at seasons end . . . does not get the ball out quick enough, does not have a quick release and a subjective reason is that some question whether he can read a D and make proper decisions . . .

JC is good, entering his 5th and last season of his K we still dont know if he is worth an extension. JC failed to quiet the doubters this year, hopefully he can put it together next year. I would love to see him be a skin for a long time, but he needs to progress at some point.

go skins!!

Well, in yet another new system, one that is considered the most complex in pro football, Jason:

1) Improved his completion percentage
2) Improved his QB rating
3) Was the least intercepted starting QB in the league

Granted, he's not exactly setting the world on fire, but I would call that progress.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, in yet another new system, one that is considered the most complex in pro football, Jason:

1) Improved his completion percentage
2) Improved his QB rating
3) Was the least intercepted starting QB in the league

Granted, he's not exactly setting the world on fire, but I would call that progress.

to some, progress means winning a SB, nothing less.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, in yet another new system, one that is considered the most complex in pro football, Jason:

1) Improved his completion percentage
2) Improved his QB rating
3) Was the least intercepted starting QB in the league

Granted, he's not exactly setting the world on fire, but I would call that progress.

And I would add cut way down on the fumbles.

He took a step forward this year no doubt, next year he needs to take a bigger step though. I think he will.

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You keep saying Campbell is a poor fit for the WCO, but you don't say why. He's big and mobile, we've seen him run, and he has a huge arm. I think his physical attributes are a good fit for any system. He has the size and poise to be strictly a pocket passer, but also the legs to scramble if he needs to.

I for one would like to see us use the shotgun more often.

ha here is the reason he is a poor fit, he cant make a quick decision. if zorn wants campbells moneys worth he needs to dial up the down field passes......he does have a cannon but he holds the ball and waits for a perfect situation and never uses that cannon.......he needs to anticipate better........the mark of a good quarterback in the nfl has nothing to do with physical attributes, that is to wow people. A good qb anticipates defenses and is able to manipulate coverages with what he does after the ball is snapped. jason campbell is a robot to me........if he every starts acting like a qb i will be behind him 100 percent but until he proves hes not a bust, i think he is the wrong fit. i just havent seen much i liked in 5 yrs. now and counting.........

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

ha here is the reason he is a poor fit, he cant make a quick decision. if zorn wants campbells moneys worth he needs to dial up the down field passes......he does have a cannon but he holds the ball and waits for a perfect situation and never uses that cannon.......he needs to anticipate better........the mark of a good quarterback in the nfl has nothing to do with physical attributes, that is to wow people. A good qb anticipates defenses and is able to manipulate coverages with what he does after the ball is snapped. jason campbell is a robot to me........if he every starts acting like a qb i will be behind him 100 percent but until he proves hes not a bust, i think he is the wrong fit. i just havent seen much i liked in 5 yrs. now and counting.........

JC has only started 35 games and next year will be his 5th year. You bring up some good points and he does need to play with a little more urgency. But JC is far from a bust. A bust is Heath Shuler and Ryan Leaf. Right now JC is a middle of the pack QB, not a bust. People get frustrated with him because of what we gave up to get him and right now he's not living up to those expectations.

[sportscurmudgeon]

1. Springs is a superior defensive back compared to Smoot. If cap issues don't matter, keep Springs and cut Smoot.

HOWEVER, since Tryon showed exactly ZERO readiness for NFL play in the exhibition games and never made the field for any meaningful defensive snaps this year, I have to think he has a lot of "developmental work to do" in order for the Skins to count on him as a nickel back next year.


2. Someone said Marcus Washington is great when he is on the field but he is hurt too much. Sorry, I think Marcus Washington used to be an excellent OLB but now he is in a serious decline. Maybe they can squeeze another season out of him as a part time player - - maybe not.


3. The three young pass catchers (Davis, Kelly, Thomas) all need to improve about 100% in the off season because at least two of them will need to catch about 50 balls next year to make last year's draft come up to the level of acceptable. The WRs were the weak link of the team in 07; the FO recognized that because they went out and spent three draft picks to make changes there; sadly, the FO drafted guys who contributed next to nothing in 2008. Don't tell me that's because they are rookies; Deshawn Jackson plays in a similar system and he contributed lots in 2008; Eddie Royal and Donnie Avery contributed plenty too.

Kelly and Thomas got chewed out by Zorn for showing up out of shape for OTAs/training camp and then never got with the plan all year long. They don't keep these kinds of stats but I think Kelly may have dropped more balls that hit him in both hands than any other rookie WR this year. Thomas scored a TD on a reverse in a game the Skins lost; that was his highlight for the year. Davis' main accomplishment for the year was sleeping late and missing meetings/practice. Oh swell... By the way, folks in SoCal were not shocked to learn that Davis had done something like that; he just may have had "similar incidents" whilst at USC...

If the 09 Skins play Moss, Randle-El and Thrash as the WR tandem more than a handful of times, then 2009 will be another year of sitting at home and watching the playoffs on TV for the Skins.

Someone suggested trading Randle-El. Maybe the Skins could get a used kicking tee for him given that he carries the back end of a $30M contract with him to wherever he may be traded...


4. Jason Campbell will be the QB next year barring injury - - and he should be. There really are not any great QBs out there on the FA market this year but it will take lots of money to sign one in any event. For the Colt Brennan acolytes, be sure to set your VCRs to record all the Skins exhibition games next year so you can go back and watch him play in those games. Barring catastrophic injuries - - such as the ones the Browns suffered at QB this year - - that is all you will see of Colt Brennan in 2009. Maybe 2010? Maybe not...


5. Offensive line needs major reconstruction. I am not enamored with any of the five starters beyond 2008 although Samuels and Thomas still have servicable years in their careers. The older offensive linemen are over the peak of their careers; the younger ones have shown nothing to make me think they will be the answer in 2009. Blame the FO for that. It is possible to get good offensive linemen who contribute in their first year or two in the league; this FO just hasn't found any recently.

I'm sure the coaches are being honest when they talk about how hard players like Heyer and Rhinehart work during the week. I'm equally sure that it hasn't mattered a whole lot when it comes to the ability to produce on Sundays - - which is the purpose of paying these guys in the first place.


6. If Brett Favre retires, Clinton Portis will move into the Top Five on the list of NFL divas in 2009.


7. The D-line needs some upgrading too. When it came to the question of a pass rushing DE, the skins FO passed on any bidding for Jared Allen in a trade last year. They thought what they had was adequate. Then injuries in training camp convinced them to spend resources (picks and dollars) on Jason Taylor. Question: Who is the better DE - - Allen or Taylor? Why no interest in the better one?


8. Skins are fine at MLB - - unless Fletcher gets hurt. Then they will be in the situation they found themselves in with Jason Taylor this year; they will have to go out and find someone to plug in on short notice. Anyone got Jeremiah Trotter on speed-dial?