JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

[bedlamVR]

I still think all this sounds like JLC trying too hard to get a scoop and putting two and two toghter and coming up with eight . He is creating the story ... again as he has in the past with rumors Portis would be traded last year and Bly would be coming to Washington .

Redskins by Position: The Cornerbacks - Redskins Insider


I think what is interesting is Rogers signed a 7 year rookie contract . I am pretty sure some of those years will be voidable but I am not sure, the point is which I think JLC is missing is they have to make a decision on Hall NOW, this year .

I think they will offer Hall a contract having been quite pleased with his production .

Rogers can wait.... At least to the end of 2009 .

Springs has a huge cap number ... can he play effectivly with Hall and Rogers ...We know what we have with Rogers and Springs bit how does he play with Hall... how does the team find out? Play them together .

If they do want Springs back he has to reduce his cap hit .

[Trample the Elderly]

I wouldn't let him go. Staying younger is the key. If anything I'd take a so-so player that can play than a good player that can't (Springs). How many years does Springs have left in him anyway. He's gone for most of the season with one injury or another?
I don't like seeing a draft pick go that has the room to get better in favor of an older guy that isn't your future. Hall is good but there are reasons that Atlanta and Oakland lets him go and that is he can't cover that well. Can he work in Washington, perhaps? He is young but I wouldn't spend too much to keep him. I think Smoot is heading the same way as Springs. All of these guys are good and can use a little more improvement. Springs is the best out of all of them but can't stay out there long enough to make an impact on the season. I'd like to move Springs up to safety and extend his career. If not then we really haven't lost anything.
I wouldn't be happy with letting Carlos Rogers go. After all of those dropped interceptions, I wouldn't cry either.

[Hail to the Redskins]

For anyone to say that DeAngelo Hall is not a good CB is crazy to me. He really is a good corner. I know people were locked in on the completion percentage thing when he was with Oakland this season, but look at the other numbers compared to what we have:

2008 - 73 tackles, 5 INTs, & 21 Pass Deflections

* He had more pass deflections (8) in 7 games with us than Springs & Smoot had all season (7 each).
* 3rd most pass deflections in the NFL this season (21)... by the way, guess who led the league... lol ... yup ... CARLOS ROGERS (24).

2007 - 70 tackles, 5 INTs, & 16 PDs
2006 - 58 tackles, 4 INTs, & 16 PDs
2005 - 65 tackles, 6 INTs, & 10 PDs

Now look at our CBs numbers over the past 4 years and you WON'T see 20 pass deflections, over 4 INTs, 70 tackles, etc...

Also keep in mind that the guy is only 25 years-old ... 25!! He's only going to mature. And he grew up a die hard Redskins fan that's why he signed with us for league minimum when the Patriots & Giants were after him.

I am 100% behind resigning him. An like I said before, Rogers is a moot point as he is locked in through 2009, so there is no need to get rid of him other than Blache and him REALLY having issues. These 2 should be the starting corners next year... as BOTH are quality NFL starting CBs.

[Trample the Elderly]

Yeah I can dig that! Y'all are missing my point though. Overall I think that the secondary is good. They're not great, but they could be with more help from the D-line. What my point is that if the FO wants to trim some fat than it should be Springs or Smoot. I'd like to keep Carlos and Hall because they're younger, have room for growth, and can play for a full season. I'd like to see them cover a little better but if the D-line gives the other quarterback forever to throw the ball then it's hard to get better coverage than what we've gotten.
If you do get rid of any of these players the focus should be getting draft picks and younger healthier players. I'd like to see them all back next year if you get down to it. If Carlos wants to cry then cut him. Let's not make excuses for any of them. They need to earn their postition. If Rogers was a starter like he thinks he is then he would've been the starter.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Yeah I can dig that! Y'all are missing my point though. Overall I think that the secondary is good. They're not great, but they could be with more help from the D-line. What my point is that if the FO wants to trim some fat than it should be Springs or Smoot. I'd like to keep Carlos and Hall because they're younger, have room for growth, and can play for a full season. I'd like to see them cover a little better but if the D-line gives the other quarterback forever to throw the ball then it's hard to get better coverage than what we've gotten.
If you do get rid of any of these players the focus should be getting draft picks and younger healthier players. I'd like to see them all back next year if you get down to it. If Carlos wants to cry then cut him. Let's not make excuses for any of them. They need to earn their postition. If Rogers was a starter like he thinks he is then he would've been the starter.

Smoots cap hit if we cut him would be 4million, If he comes back it would only be 2.65 million.

[Trample the Elderly]

Like I said. I want them all back. I think because of the situation that you just outlined we should keep all of them. Smoot wasn't bad last year. None of them really were. The point is if you want to get rid of someone then make it the person who has less of a NFL future. I forget which one of these guys owns a couple or Wafle-Houses? I think Smoot. If we do get rid of Rogers for any reason we should get something good for him, right? Tell me what y'all think? Would it be feasible to get some 6th or 7th round picks for him? How about picks for next year? What do y'all think we could get for him?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

For anyone to say that DeAngelo Hall is not a good CB is crazy to me. He really is a good corner. I know people were locked in on the completion percentage thing when he was with Oakland this season, but look at the other numbers compared to what we have:

2008 - 73 tackles, 5 INTs, & 21 Pass Deflections

* He had more pass deflections (8) in 7 games with us than Springs & Smoot had all season (7 each).
* 3rd most pass deflections in the NFL this season (21)... by the way, guess who led the league... lol ... yup ... CARLOS ROGERS (24).

2007 - 70 tackles, 5 INTs, & 16 PDs
2006 - 58 tackles, 4 INTs, & 16 PDs
2005 - 65 tackles, 6 INTs, & 10 PDs

Now look at our CBs numbers over the past 4 years and you WON'T see 20 pass deflections, over 4 INTs, 70 tackles, etc...

Also keep in mind that the guy is only 25 years-old ... 25!! He's only going to mature. And he grew up a die hard Redskins fan that's why he signed with us for league minimum when the Patriots & Giants were after him.

I am 100% behind resigning him. An like I said before, Rogers is a moot point as he is locked in through 2009, so there is no need to get rid of him other than Blache and him REALLY having issues. These 2 should be the starting corners next year... as BOTH are quality NFL starting CBs.

I don't think that anyone would question Hall's ball skills, the problem with him is his struggles in coverage and high completion percentage against. You err in making it sound like his high completion percentage against was an aberration that came out of the blue when he went to Oakland. That is incorrect. Hall has always struggled in completion percentage and yards allowed per completion. Football Outsiders has compiled these metrics, though I do not have the handy. If you want to choose between Hall and Rogers, the latter is the better coverage cornerback by a pretty fair margin. If Hall gets big money and Rogers is either traded or allowed to walk after his contract is up (which wouldn't really make sense since the Redskins could give him a high tender and get compensation if he were an RFA after 2009) then that is a mistake. Sure, it would be fine to have both as you say, but if Hall gets $45-50 million and $12-15 million to sign then there will not be money for Rogers so you are making a choice between the two.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I don't think that anyone would question Hall's ball skills, the problem with him is his struggles in coverage and high completion percentage against. You err in making it sound like his high completion percentage against was an aberration that came out of the blue when he went to Oakland. That is incorrect. Hall has always struggled in completion percentage and yards allowed per completion. Football Outsiders has compiled these metrics, though I do not have the handy. If you want to choose between Hall and Rogers, the latter is the better coverage cornerback by a pretty fair margin. If Hall gets big money and Rogers is either traded or allowed to walk after his contract is up (which wouldn't really make sense since the Redskins could give him a high tender and get compensation if he were an RFA after 2009) then that is a mistake. Sure, it would be fine to have both as you say, but if Hall gets $45-50 million and $12-15 million to sign then there will not be money for Rogers so you are making a choice between the two.

Fwiw, I have Hall at 25 targets and a 67% completion allowed, for about 6.7 yards (roughly league average) per attempt. That's without the Philly game, so his numbers are probably even better than that. Ironically, his targets and YPA are exactly equal to Springs this year.

It makes some sense, since they are both the high % corners who make picks when given opportunities and relies on closing speed and tackle ability to prevent the first down (although Springs is a significantly better tackler than Hall).

I would say, based on the evidence, that Hall is a better investment going forward than Springs. But the fact that Rogers is even in discussion is some real unnecessary pot stirring by La Canfora at best, and downright embarrassing at worst. I just don't see it as an either or. We have to make a decision on Hall AND Springs this off-season. We don't have to do anything with Rogers until we decide what to do with the other two.