I guess no one likes VC.

[Schneed10]

I like him. I really don't get the vitriol towards him.

He's kind of a bozo personality-wise, but I couldn't care less about that. Bottom line was I liked his use of draft picks last year and I still like them today. WRs take a long time to develop in the NFL, you can't pass judgment on them until their 3rd NFL season. And he's right in saying that if they can't stay healthy then they can't produce. The key will be can they get and stay healthy, and then can they accelerate the learning curve. I have high hopes for Kelly, while Thomas I could see as a Devery Henderson deep-threat only type.

I loved the Rinehart pick and still do. Dockery didn't start for us his rookie year until he was forced into action by injuries to the guards. This time, the injuries happened to our tackles, and we had other depth (Heyer) to handle that. I still see Rinehart developing into a solid starter for us.

Tryon's a turd, but Moore is serviceable as a depth guy (and brings huge hits) and Horton is a starter for 10 years. It's absurd to hang Vinny because his draft class didn't deliver in year 1. You have to give him more time than that.

I think he's going to take the same approach in this year's draft: take the best player available regardless of position, and we'll end up with better and deeper talent. We just can't expect this incoming class to make an immediate impact - people have to realize that's the exception not the rule.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think he's going to take the same approach in this year's draft: take the best player available regardless of position, and we'll end up with better and deeper talent.

I understand how, in theory, taking the best available player ultimately makes for a better, deeper roster. Yet we are really hurting in the lines - the OL in particular.

I'd like to know how VC plans to fix that if targeting linemen in the draft isn't the plan. To me, that is his critical task for the off-season.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I understand how, in theory, taking the best available player ultimately makes for a better, deeper roster. Yet we are really hurting in the lines - the OL in particular.

I'd like to know how VC plans to fix that if targeting linemen in the draft isn't the plan. To me, that is his critical task for the off-season.

That's another bullsh*t rule. If the best player available is a wideout when our first pick rolls around, are we going to take him?

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

That's another bullsh*t rule. If the best player available is a wideout when our first pick rolls around, are we going to take him?

If you are Vinnie C. you take three!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I like him. I really don't get the vitriol towards him.

He's kind of a bozo personality-wise, but I couldn't care less about that. Bottom line was I liked his use of draft picks last year and I still like them today. WRs take a long time to develop in the NFL, you can't pass judgment on them until their 3rd NFL season. And he's right in saying that if they can't stay healthy then they can't produce. The key will be can they get and stay healthy, and then can they accelerate the learning curve. I have high hopes for Kelly, while Thomas I could see as a Devery Henderson deep-threat only type.

I loved the Rinehart pick and still do. Dockery didn't start for us his rookie year until he was forced into action by injuries to the guards. This time, the injuries happened to our tackles, and we had other depth (Heyer) to handle that. I still see Rinehart developing into a solid starter for us.

Tryon's a turd, but Moore is serviceable as a depth guy (and brings huge hits) and Horton is a starter for 10 years. It's absurd to hang Vinny because his draft class didn't deliver in year 1. You have to give him more time than that.

I think he's going to take the same approach in this year's draft: take the best player available regardless of position, and we'll end up with better and deeper talent. We just can't expect this incoming class to make an immediate impact - people have to realize that's the exception not the rule.

I don't "know" Vinny Cerrato. So it's impossible for me to say whether I "like" him or not. I can only go by his results as the director of player personnel, executive vice president of football operations, or whichever title he has had in his tenure with this team.

66-78. That's the overall record of this team under Dan Snyder's ownership and Vinny Cerrato's guidance with personnel -- however you choose to describe his official status. We can all see what that record is. Yes, we have a couple of last place wild card appearances. But those were against incredible odds when all seemed lost or with the backdrop of immense tragedy. Both coincidentally, came under the leadership of Joe Gibbs, without whom those playoff spots may never have happened under any other coach.

Regardless, this organization has been mired in mediocrity or downright failure. And there's an alarmingly large number of fans who accept it, defend it, and fall for the promises of "next year".

And this year's draft? It's shaping up to be like all the rest. Our rookie wideouts have an ironclad defense other rookies don't seem to require -- they're rookies, so we have to give them time. Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Donnie Avery all prove that rule to be complete bullshit. That's an excuse that bad teams use. Yes, there are the occasional hits: Golston, Montgomery, Cartwright, Horton. But those types of players are taken with far more regularity among the teams that are successful. I don't see how anyone can "love" Chad Rinehart. You can love the idea of finally picking an offensive lineman, I suppose. But he hasn't played a single down. The best you can say about him is that his grade as a pro is incomplete.

It's not just this year's draft that's open to criticism. It's an entire body of work over the years that ignores the basic rules of building a franchise that all the good teams accept -- build your lines first. We haven't taken an offensive lineman in the first two rounds in eight years. There hasn't been a defensive lineman selected in the first four rounds in eleven years with Vinny and Snyder calling the shots. That's inexcusable. It defies the fundamentals of football.

If it's one thing Cerrato and Snyder are good at, it's luring legions of fans to tolerate mediocrity, and to trick them into believing that the Redskins are one step away from championship contention.

It's a trick that won't work with this fan.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't "know" Vinny Cerrato. So it's impossible for me to say whether I "like" him or not. I can only go by his results as the director of player personnel, executive vice president of football operations, or whichever title he has had in his tenure with this team.

66-78. That's the overall record of this team under Dan Snyder's ownership and Vinny Cerrato's guidance with personnel -- however you choose to describe his official status. We can all see what that record is. Yes, we have a couple of last place wild card appearances. But those were against incredible odds when all seemed lost or with the backdrop of immense tragedy. Both coincidentally, came under the leadership of Joe Gibbs, without whom those playoff spots may never have happened under any other coach.

Regardless, this organization has been mired in mediocrity or downright failure. And there's an alarmingly large number of fans who accept it, defend it, and fall for the promises of "next year".

And this year's draft? It's shaping up to be like all the rest. Our rookie wideouts have an ironclad defense other rookies don't seem to require -- they're rookies, so we have to give them time. Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Donnie Avery all prove that rule to be complete bullshit. That's an excuse that bad teams use. Yes, there are the occasional hits: Golston, Montgomery, Cartwright, Horton. But those types of players are taken with far more regularity among the teams that are successful. I don't see how anyone can "love" Chad Rinehart. You can love the idea of finally picking an offensive lineman, I suppose. But he hasn't played a single down. The best you can say about him is that his grade as a pro is incomplete.

It's not just this year's draft that's open to criticism. It's an entire body of work over the years that ignores the basic rules of building a franchise that all the good teams accept -- build your lines first. We haven't taken an offensive lineman in the first two rounds in eight years. There hasn't been a defensive lineman selected in the first four rounds in eleven years with Vinny and Snyder calling the shots. That's inexcusable. It defies the fundamentals of football.

If it's one thing Cerrato and Snyder are good at, it's luring legions of fans to tolerate mediocrity, and to trick them into believing that the Redskins are one step away from championship contention.

It's a trick that won't work with this fan.

You picked 5 players out of 200 in some to prove that rockies can have an impact. Not sure if the numbers support that. Yes some do come in and produce from day one but thats the exception and not the rule. Also is it his fault that we did not get production out of these guys or the coaches fault.