Observation on Campbell

[davy]

Anybody else notice that the people who have criticised Campbell on this thread are quite happy for others to come on and defend him, yet the defenders quickly resort to insults and ridiculous accusations of racism when anybody disagrees with them?

Strange that.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by davy

Anybody else notice that the people who have criticised Campbell on this thread are quite happy for others to come on and defend him, yet the defenders quickly resort to insults and ridiculous accusations of racism when anybody disagrees with them?

Strange that.

Don't want any part of where this is going

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Sad but true. The intension seems to be personal insult instead of a friendly debate, disscusion or opinion of football.

It's kind of hard to have a debate when all the Campbell haters have baseless arguments like "I just don't see it," or "JC is just not an NFL QB," and then they proceed to ignore all the valid expert analysis and articles to the contrary.

And in response to what Davy said about insults/racism... Umm what? One person brought up the suggestion of racism, and it was pretty much shot down by everyone. I'm not going through and reading every anti-Campbell post around here, but I haven't really heard any insults.

The funny thing is, all the Campbell haters are just getting pwned left and right!! "He holds it too long, he's not accurate, I just don't see it," blah blah blah. JC supporters here are citing multiple credible sources stating the exact opposite over and over. It's funny to me.

What's so lame to me is we finally have a QB with a great chance to be an upper echelon player, something the Skins have lacked at QB since Mark friggin Rypien, yet he's still getting ripped. When did we get so greedy?

[davy]

Originally Posted by GMScud

The funny thing is, all the Campbell haters are just getting pwned left and right!!

A predictable response.

The first part is wildly inaccurate. Nobody hates Campbell. We would all love to see him become an elite QB and remain here for the rest of his career.

The second part is juvenile in the extreme.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by davy

A predictable response.

The first part is wildly inaccurate. Nobody hates Campbell. We would all love to see him become an elite QB and remain here for the rest of his career.

The second part is juvenile in the extreme.

Juvenile in the extreme? Or maybe a valid observation that you simply cannot rebut, so you sink to insulting it (which is awfully hypocritical considering YOU brought up how we Campbell supporters are the insulters).

Either way, pretty funny. I also think it's funny that you chose to quote just one line of my entire post, and then proceed to call it "typical" and "juvenile." See pot and kettle. Sigh....

You're amongst the JC naysayers, and rather than backing up your negative opinions about him with anything concrete, you'd rather just bicker.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by davy

Anybody else notice that the people who have criticised Campbell on this thread are quite happy for others to come on and defend him, yet the defenders quickly resort to insults and ridiculous accusations of racism when anybody disagrees with them?

Strange that.

Why dont you shut up, you big dummy, your so stupid. No just joking, I agree.

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by davy

Anybody else notice that the people who have criticised Campbell on this thread are quite happy for others to come on and defend him, yet the defenders quickly resort to insults and ridiculous accusations of racism when anybody disagrees with them?

Strange that.

As the guy who brought up the race issue I just want to point out why .

I gone through countless Anti Campbell threads and other posters have said all I have come across is :

"I am not sold on him", "he is inaccurate", "he is a turnover machine" (- Which made me laugh) "He holds onto the ball too long","he is slow", "too laid back", "I just don't like him" etc etc .

Yes I would like to see more from him but what I have seen, keeping the team in games, bringing us from behind, making gutsy calls plays and year on year improvements, willingness to put the time in the film room and training ground is something I like to see from the QB .

If someone, anyone could give me concrete reasons why Campbell should not at least be given a chance to be the Redskins QB of the future other than jut a "feeling" or a stereotype I would be glad to debate it with them .

I am not a reverse bigot, I think anyone should make their way in the world based on merit, it shouldn't matter about race religion sexual preference or anything else .

The problem is the world isn't like that and these things do make a difference.


I wasn't isolating anyone and calling them a racist . I am not using it as an insult, if you see it like that then maybe that is your problem not mine .


People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

[30gut]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

Some fans refuse to see any of Campbell's merits. Despite the actual numbers he's put up and praise from current NFL experts.
They down play any of Campbell strengths in order to level dubious claims that he lacks some intangible 'it' factor and therefore isn't good.

I'm sure their might be some left over stereotypes about black quarterbacks that may be behind some peoples opinions of Campbell. There was a time when many black QBs had a hard road to the NFL as a QB and many switched from QB to another position like DB when coming into the league. (e.g. Tony Dungy)

Dungy was recruited by University of Minnesota coach Cal Stoll and played for the Golden Gophers from 1973 to 1976. He entered the starting lineup as a quarterback during his freshman year and after playing for four years finished as Minnesota's career leader in pass attempts (576), completions (274), touchdown passes (25), and passing yards (3,577).[5] He also finished fourth in career total offense in the Big Ten Conference. He received Minnesota's Most Valuable Player award twice.[5]

But based on the level of the arguements going on in this thread i thought this wouldn't be the place to have this discussion.

But, you're right, it is naive to think that race/stereotypes about black QB may not have a role in how some fans view Campbell's performance. I just thought it was understood.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

As the guy who brought up the race issue I just want to point out why .

I gone through countless Anti Campbell threads and other posters have said all I have come across is :

"I am not sold on him", "he is inaccurate", "he is a turnover machine" (- Which made me laugh) "He holds onto the ball too long","he is slow", "too laid back", "I just don't like him" etc etc .

Yes I would like to see more from him but what I have seen, keeping the team in games, bringing us from behind, making gutsy calls plays and year on year improvements, willingness to put the time in the film room and training ground is something I like to see from the QB .

If someone, anyone could give me concrete reasons why Campbell should not at least be given a chance to be the Redskins QB of the future other than jut a "feeling" or a stereotype I would be glad to debate it with them .

I am not a reverse bigot, I think anyone should make their way in the world based on merit, it shouldn't matter about race religion sexual preference or anything else .

The problem is the world isn't like that and these things do make a difference.


I wasn't isolating anyone and calling them a racist . I am not using it as an insult, if you see it like that then maybe that is your problem not mine .


People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

Why don't you show us some of these "concrete" racial reasons that people do not like Campbell before you come out a say something related to race. I haven't seen 1 post on here where someone was using race as a reason for Campbell's average play. So where are you getting your ideas of race being the reason??

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Why don't you show us some of these "concrete" racial reasons that people do not like Campbell before you come out a say something related to race. I haven't seen 1 post on here where someone was using race as a reason for Campbell's average play. So where are you getting your ideas of race being the reason??

There is little concrete evidence race is an issue I only suggested it might be an issue but there is plenty of evidence to suggest people are using Jasons colour as a reason to profile him as either slow or inaccurate .

Is Eli Manning inaccurate, how about Ben Rothlesberger or Tony Romo ? How about Kerry Collins, Kyle Orton, jake Dellhomme ? This year is the first time Eli has completed more than 60% of his passes ever in his career yet Campbell who threw more and completed more passes is labled the inaccurate one, how is that right ?

You would think if he was slow and telegraphed his passes was slow on his release and locked onto one reciever then NFL quality DBs would feast upon him, yet we played the 1,2,3,5 and 7th ranked pass defenses, we played teams which ranked 1,2,7,9 and 14th in team inteceptions, sometimes more than once, this season yet Campbell comes out of the season with only 6 interceptions ... How do those facts gel ? If he is slow and telegraphs all his passes and cannot read defenses .