2009 Redskins Roster - Cap Burdens

[NM Redskin]

Rodger's cap number looks very doable for a trade.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Rodger's cap number looks very doable for a trade.

Unless it is a 1st round pick, I am hoping that we do not trade Rodger's. With Springs getting older I think that Rodgers and Hall would be a great CB duo.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by NM Redskin

Rodger's cap number looks very doable for a trade.

Why do so many people want to shove Rogers out the door? He can't catch...I am as frustrated about that as the next guy but he played pretty well otherwise especially considering he came off a knee injury. I see Rogers and Hall as a very good set of CB's to build around long term. I would cut Springs and use that cap money towards a long term deal for Hall. Springs can still play but he only plays 8 games a year and we just can't count on him anymore.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by celts32

Why do so many people want to shove Rodgers out the door? He can't catch...I am as frustraded about that as the next guy but he played pretty well otherwise especially considering he came off a knee injury. I see Rodgers and Hall as a very good set of CB's to build around long term. I would cut Springs and use that cap money towards a long term deal for Hall. Springs can still play but he only plays 8 games a year and we just can't count on him anymore.

I agree with you about Rogers... Think he's a good fit here, and I def. want to keep him around.

I would prefer to sign D-Hall to a short term deal. He got INT's, but he was out of position a lot. If he does well next year, give him an extension. I don't feel as if he earned a long term deal in the short time he was here.

All signs point that he wants to stay here (He's from Chesapeake, VA), so why not give him the opportunity to earn his keep. Chris Cooley and Portis are the kinds of players that have earned long term deals... hopefully Hall will follow suit.

As too cutting Springs, yeah... I can def see that happening. We can't use him as safety IMO (not very good in run support). Ask him to take a pay cut to reduce his impact on the salary (if that's even possible), if he won't... just let him go try and earn a big deal somewhere else. It won't happen.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I agree with you about Rogers... Think he's a good fit here, and I def. want to keep him around.

I would prefer to sign D-Hall to a short term deal. He got INT's, but he was out of position a lot. If he does well next year, give him an extension. I don't feel as if he earned a long term deal in the short time he was here.

All signs point that he wants to stay here (He's from Chesapeake, VA), so why not give him the opportunity to earn his keep. Chris Cooley and Portis are the kinds of players that have earned long term deals... hopefully Hall will follow suit.

As too cutting Springs, yeah... I can def see that happening. We can't use him as safety IMO (not very good in run support). Ask him to take a pay cut to reduce his impact on the salary (if that's even possible), if he won't... just let him go try and earn a big deal somewhere else. It won't happen.

I have a feeling that if Springs were to leave that he would entertain going to dallas because of his family ties to that area.

dallas looks like they could use a stop gap CB too in the next year. I'd have to puke if I saw Springs in a cowboy jersey.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I have a feeling that if Springs were to leave that he would entertain going to dallas because of his family ties to that area.

dallas looks like they could use a stop gap CB too in the next year. I'd have to puke if I saw Springs in a cowboy jersey.

I imagine he would suddenly stop having mysterious illnesses and injuries for the cowboys too. Springs is one of those guys that just wants his money. He's got no heart. If he wasnt such a waste of cap space, i would want to keep him here, just to spite him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I imagine he would suddenly stop having mysterious illnesses and injuries for the cowboys too. Springs is one of those guys that just wants his money. He's got no heart. If he wasnt such a waste of cap space, i would want to keep him here, just to spite him.

Who says he has no heart? Because he didn't play as much this year as we all (himself included) would have like he suddenly has no heart?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who says he has no heart? Because he didn't play as much this year as we all (himself included) would have like he suddenly has no heart?

We all know Springs is a money grubbing SOB just like Vinny is a purposely bad "GM" wannabe and Danny only cares about money.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by celts32

Why do so many people want to shove Rodgers out the door? He can't catch...I am as frustraded about that as the next guy but he played pretty well otherwise especially considering he came off a knee injury. I see Rodgers and Hall as a very good set of CB's to build around long term. I would cut Springs and use that cap money towards a long term deal for Hall. Springs can still play but he only plays 8 games a year and we just can't count on him anymore.

his name is Carlos Rogers, not Rodgers

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

Why do so many people want to shove Rodgers out the door?

it has nothing to do with Rogers ability and everything to do with Vinnys desire to accumulate draft picks to make up for the fact that he wasted a 2nd rounder on the bum that is Jason Taylor. Its a PR move, plain and simple. Vinny has one more year to prove his worth or Danny is going to fire him AND zorn. I fully expect us to be very active in FA and in doing trades this offseason. Vinny needs as much "ammunition" as possible.

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if we use our 2010 1st rounder in a trade to get a 2009 2nd rounder either. Vinny will probably spin it as saying "theres so much talent" in the 2009 draft that a 2nd rounder this year will be the same as a 1st rounder next year... the same type of BS he used in an attempt to convince us that Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcom Kelly all had "first round grades."

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

it has nothing to do with Rogers ability and everything to do with Vinnys desire to accumulate draft picks to make up for the fact that he wasted a 2nd rounder on the bum that is Jason Taylor. Its a PR move, plain and simple.

Well I don't see the PR boost in trading away one of your few young players that produce. Trading a young starting quality CB for a 2nd or 3rd round pick is assinine. CR gets a bad rap from skins fans because he can't catch, but overall he is a good player at one of the harder positions in the league to fill. Trading CR will be another entry in the long list of reasons to fire Vinny...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

Well I don't see the PR boost in trading away one of your few young players that produce. Trading a young starting quality CB for a 2nd or 3rd round pick is assinine. CR gets a bad rap from skins fans because he can't catch, but overall he is a good player at one of the harder positions in the league to fill. Trading CR will be another entry in the long list of reasons to fire Vinny...

thats because youre smart... and beleive it or not, most fans arent. The redskins PR machine will "spin" it that 1) Rogers wanted out and said he wouldnt resign here and he was becoming a "lockerroom cancer"; 2) Springs is in the best shape of his career and expects to start every game in 2009; 3) We have more pressing needs at corner; 4) Justin Tryon/Byron Westbrook/Materral Richardson is poised to have a breakout year...

Theres any of a million different reasons they could spin the reason for trading rogers.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

it has nothing to do with Rogers ability and everything to do with Vinnys desire to accumulate draft picks to make up for the fact that he wasted a 2nd rounder on the bum that is Jason Taylor. Its a PR move, plain and simple. Vinny has one more year to prove his worth or Danny is going to fire him AND zorn. I fully expect us to be very active in FA and in doing trades this offseason. Vinny needs as much "ammunition" as possible.

I honestly wouldnt be surprised if we use our 2010 1st rounder in a trade to get a 2009 2nd rounder either. Vinny will probably spin it as saying "theres so much talent" in the 2009 draft that a 2nd rounder this year will be the same as a 1st rounder next year... the same type of BS he used in an attempt to convince us that Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcom Kelly all had "first round grades."

Vinny's real title should be Master of Spin.