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[Slingin Sammy 33]

I didn't bother to listen. More blah, blah, blah sportstalk garbage. The NFL is a business, I don't care who's "unhappy", money talks. Isn't Lance Briggs still with the Bears and Chad Johnson still with the Bengals?

Want to find out who will be back or not look at the drop-down under "Team Info" and go to Salary Cap info, then at the bottom tabs "Release Fees":

Springs - unless he massively restructures, which he's been hesitant to do on the past, Gone. Cap savings $ 6M. Can't stay healthy, has medical issues with family, smart guy with potential after football.

Jason Taylor - Gone. Cap savings $ 8.5M. Who needs a washed up DE for that kind of money?

Carlos Rogers - going nowhere unless a monster trade is offered for him. Cap HIT $ 1.4M to release or trade. Solid CB, who if he didn't play with boxing gloves on would be a borderline Pro Bowl CB.

D. Hall - Currently unsigned, just depends on where the market goes for him. He's a regional guy (VT) so we may have a slight advantage, but don't overpay or load him with a huge signing bonus. He has shown in the past he can be a very negative influence in the locker room. If he isn't motivated his level of play drops dramatically.

Marcus Washington - Probably gone. Cap savings $ 4.5M. Injury issues, getting "long in the tooth".

Philip Daniels - Gone. Cap savings $ 2.2M

Casey Rabach - Probably gone unless he restructures, if we can find a better solution at C. Cap Savings $ 2.35M

Returning: Samuels, Jansen, Moss, Carter ARE, Portis, Cooley, R. Thomas, Fletcher, Betts

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I didn't bother to listen. More blah, blah, blah sportstalk garbage. The NFL is a business, I don't care who's "unhappy", money talks. Isn't Lance Briggs still with the Bears and Chad Johnson still with the Bengals?

I totally agree.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I didn't bother to listen. More blah, blah, blah sportstalk garbage. The NFL is a business, I don't care who's "unhappy", money talks. Isn't Lance Briggs still with the Bears and Chad Johnson still with the Bengals?

Want to find out who will be back or not look at the drop-down under "Team Info" and go to Salary Cap info, then at the bottom tabs "Release Fees":

Springs - unless he massively restructures, which he's been hesitant to do on the past, Gone. Cap savings $ 6M. Can't stay healthy, has medical issues with family, smart guy with potential after football.

Jason Taylor - Gone. Cap savings $ 8.5M. Who needs a washed up DE for that kind of money?

Carlos Rogers - going nowhere unless a monster trade is offered for him. Cap HIT $ 1.4M to release or trade. Solid CB, who if he didn't play with boxing gloves on would be a borderline Pro Bowl CB.

D. Hall - Currently unsigned, just depends on where the market goes for him. He's a regional guy (VT) so we may have a slight advantage, but don't overpay or load him with a huge signing bonus. He has shown in the past he can be a very negative influence in the locker room. If he isn't motivated his level of play drops dramatically.

Marcus Washington - Probably gone. Cap savings $ 4.5M. Injury issues, getting "long in the tooth".

Philip Daniels - Gone. Cap savings $ 2.2M

Casey Rabach - Probably gone unless he restructures, if we can find a better solution at C. Cap Savings $ 2.35M

Returning: Samuels, Jansen, Moss, Carter ARE, Portis, Cooley, R. Thomas, Fletcher, Betts

I tend to agree with you here. It often seems to me that players are fairly bad sources to look to if you want to know about pending roster moves. They might know better how players are feeling, but they don't seem particularly tuned into front office talk and don't seem to follow the ins and outs of a team roster even as closely as an informed fan.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I tend to agree with you here. It often seems to me that players are fairly bad sources to look to if you want to know about pending roster moves. They might know better how players are feeling, but they don't seem particularly tuned into front office talk and don't seem to follow the ins and outs of a team roster even as closely as an informed fan.

I agree players dont know what a front office will do (especially ours), but i think they are a good indicator of what the teams strengths and weaknesses are. They see their fellow players on the field every day in practice. They know whats up and a guy like springs who is near the end of his career is going to call it like he sees it.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I didn't bother to listen. More blah, blah, blah sportstalk garbage. The NFL is a business, I don't care who's "unhappy", money talks. Isn't Lance Briggs still with the Bears and Chad Johnson still with the Bengals?

Want to find out who will be back or not look at the drop-down under "Team Info" and go to Salary Cap info, then at the bottom tabs "Release Fees":

Springs - unless he massively restructures, which he's been hesitant to do on the past, Gone. Cap savings $ 6M. Can't stay healthy, has medical issues with family, smart guy with potential after football.

Jason Taylor - Gone. Cap savings $ 8.5M. Who needs a washed up DE for that kind of money?

Carlos Rogers - going nowhere unless a monster trade is offered for him. Cap HIT $ 1.4M to release or trade. Solid CB, who if he didn't play with boxing gloves on would be a borderline Pro Bowl CB.

D. Hall - Currently unsigned, just depends on where the market goes for him. He's a regional guy (VT) so we may have a slight advantage, but don't overpay or load him with a huge signing bonus. He has shown in the past he can be a very negative influence in the locker room. If he isn't motivated his level of play drops dramatically.

Marcus Washington - Probably gone. Cap savings $ 4.5M. Injury issues, getting "long in the tooth".

Philip Daniels - Gone. Cap savings $ 2.2M

Casey Rabach - Probably gone unless he restructures, if we can find a better solution at C. Cap Savings $ 2.35M

Returning: Samuels, Jansen, Moss, Carter ARE, Portis, Cooley, R. Thomas, Fletcher, Betts

I would not cut Rabach just yet...we will have to have some holdovers from last years OL. I would bring Jason Taylor back at a reduced salary if he's willing as well. He may be washed up but pass rushers are hard to find and if he can regain any of his form he could be worth a few mil.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

I would not cut Rabach just yet...we will have to have some holdovers from last years OL. I would bring Jason Taylor back at a reduced salary if he's willing as well. He may be washed up but pass rushers are hard to find and if he can regain any of his form he could be worth a few mil.

Yeah, Jansen would be gone before Rabach is. And since Taylor admitted he wasn't worth the money he was paid, maybe we could use that as leverage for a pay cut?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, Jansen would be gone before Rabach is. And since Taylor admitted he wasn't worth the money he was paid, maybe we could use that as leverage for a pay cut?

jansens probably staying. His cap number for this year isnt unreasonable for a backup OT with starting experience.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Yeah, Jansen would be gone before Rabach is. And since Taylor admitted he wasn't worth the money he was paid, maybe we could use that as leverage for a pay cut?

No way Jansen is gone, cap hit's too big.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

I would not cut Rabach just yet...we will have to have some holdovers from last years OL. I would bring Jason Taylor back at a reduced salary if he's willing as well. He may be washed up but pass rushers are hard to find and if he can regain any of his form he could be worth a few mil.

If we get our starting center from the draft, i think Rabach has a better chance of staying on as a backup. If we get one in free agency, he's most certainly gone. We've got to have atleast one young guy at the position, be it Geisinger or someone else.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If we get our starting center from the draft, i think Rabach has a better chance of staying on as a backup. If we get one in free agency, he's most certainly gone. We've got to have atleast one young guy at the position, be it Geisinger or someone else.

Well I guess if we choose to add a center high int he draf tor in free agency then Rabach could go but in looking it over now without that knowledge he would not be on my chopping block.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I didn't bother to listen. More blah, blah, blah sportstalk garbage. The NFL is a business, I don't care who's "unhappy", money talks. Isn't Lance Briggs still with the Bears and Chad Johnson still with the Bengals?

Want to find out who will be back or not look at the drop-down under "Team Info" and go to Salary Cap info, then at the bottom tabs "Release Fees":

Springs - unless he massively restructures, which he's been hesitant to do on the past, Gone. Cap savings $ 6M. Can't stay healthy, has medical issues with family, smart guy with potential after football.

Jason Taylor - Gone. Cap savings $ 8.5M. Who needs a washed up DE for that kind of money?

Carlos Rogers - going nowhere unless a monster trade is offered for him. Cap HIT $ 1.4M to release or trade. Solid CB, who if he didn't play with boxing gloves on would be a borderline Pro Bowl CB.

D. Hall - Currently unsigned, just depends on where the market goes for him. He's a regional guy (VT) so we may have a slight advantage, but don't overpay or load him with a huge signing bonus. He has shown in the past he can be a very negative influence in the locker room. If he isn't motivated his level of play drops dramatically.

Marcus Washington - Probably gone. Cap savings $ 4.5M. Injury issues, getting "long in the tooth".

Philip Daniels - Gone. Cap savings $ 2.2M

Casey Rabach - Probably gone unless he restructures, if we can find a better solution at C. Cap Savings $ 2.35M

Returning: Samuels, Jansen, Moss, Carter ARE, Portis, Cooley, R. Thomas, Fletcher, Betts

I agree with all of it except I would cut Jansen, and not re-sign Kendall who is 36 with bum knees. I would restructure R. Thomas, Samuels and Randel El. Be active in free agency with 1-2 quality players (T. Suggs, Haynesworth), and draft actually for need this year (O- line, LB, CB).

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I agree with all of it except I would cut Jansen, and not re-sign Kendall who is 36 with bum knees. I would restructure R. Thomas, Samuels and Randel El. Be active in free agency with 1-2 quality players (T. Suggs, Haynesworth), and draft actually for need this year (O- line, LB, CB).

would be nice to do what you said, but its my understanding we can't really restructure contracts this year because of the CBA ending. Anyone have more details on this?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

would be nice to do what you said, but its my understanding we can't really restructure contracts this year because of the CBA ending. Anyone have more details on this?

We can restructure contract as long as we adhere to the stricter more specific rules regarding the last capped year.

It may seem like there would be no penalty for extending Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, etc and pushing their deferred signing bonuses into non-capped years, which is totally legal, actually, but in the event that there would ever be a cap again, we would be so unbelievably screwed if we did that.

**Now that I think about it, I think there is a stipulation that would prevent us from doing exactly this. If we guarenteed the entire 2009 salary, this would be legal. If we didn't, the entire prorated SB would hit us in 2009. Which wouldn't change much financially, except the cap number hits an obscenely high mark.

Basically, if we want room to wheel and deal this offseason, we'll have to release some potentially helpful vets to free up money.

[horse]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I didn't bother to listen. More blah, blah, blah sportstalk garbage. The NFL is a business, I don't care who's "unhappy", money talks. Isn't Lance Briggs still with the Bears and Chad Johnson still with the Bengals?

Want to find out who will be back or not look at the drop-down under "Team Info" and go to Salary Cap info, then at the bottom tabs "Release Fees":

Springs - unless he massively restructures, which he's been hesitant to do on the past, Gone. Cap savings $ 6M. Can't stay healthy, has medical issues with family, smart guy with potential after football.

Jason Taylor - Gone. Cap savings $ 8.5M. Who needs a washed up DE for that kind of money?

Carlos Rogers - going nowhere unless a monster trade is offered for him. Cap HIT $ 1.4M to release or trade. Solid CB, who if he didn't play with boxing gloves on would be a borderline Pro Bowl CB.

D. Hall - Currently unsigned, just depends on where the market goes for him. He's a regional guy (VT) so we may have a slight advantage, but don't overpay or load him with a huge signing bonus. He has shown in the past he can be a very negative influence in the locker room. If he isn't motivated his level of play drops dramatically.

Marcus Washington - Probably gone. Cap savings $ 4.5M. Injury issues, getting "long in the tooth".

Philip Daniels - Gone. Cap savings $ 2.2M

Casey Rabach - Probably gone unless he restructures, if we can find a better solution at C. Cap Savings $ 2.35M

Returning: Samuels, Jansen, Moss, Carter ARE, Portis, Cooley, R. Thomas, Fletcher, Betts

If LOS can catch he's borderline? Most of this season he's been borderline probowler, I like the kid and he improves every year he was playing well last year when he got hurt against new england. I think the talk of him leaving is stupid. Why pay so much for springs to play 8 gms. When you can pay Los and Hall less, their much younger and very talented. Hall can teach Los how to catch and we'll be very young and set in the secondary with Landry and Horton for a long time.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by horse

If LOS can catch he's borderline? Most of this season he's been borderline probowler, I like the kid and he improves every year he was playing well last year when he got hurt against new england. I think the talk of him leaving is stupid. Why pay so much for springs to play 8 gms. When you can pay Los and Hall less, their much younger and very talented. Hall can teach Los how to catch and we'll be very young and set in the secondary with Landry and Horton for a long time.

I totally agree, we have an area set, let's leave it alone and focus on the lines.