Age a factor going into 2009

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Daseal

SFREDSKIN: It's easy to deflect blame from someone such as Gibbs, but lets call a spade a spade. First, let's look at draft picks. From all accounts, Gibbs was the one running most of the front office decisions, especially when it came to free agents and trades.

We gave up tons of draft picks during the Gibbs era, and this can go on his shoulders. Honestly, I'm fine giving up draft picks for proven players. That's just me. But some trades were just silly. Such as giving Denver Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick. Etc. Vinny isn't completely free from blame -- he went after Jason Taylor this offseason and blew a few draft picks. I still think Jason Taylor will be much improved next year, but probably not worth the price. However, how can you blame Danny? He screwed up early in his career as owner, but he's not making moves anymore. The only real power he has now is as a tie breaker vote in the draft -- which means he picks between two players that Vinny/Zorn can't agree on. Also, I don't think for a second this years draft class couldn't be an excellent one. The fact that we got such a great young player in Horton already performing and some glimpses of promise from 2/3 receivers taken in the draft is a good sign. There are many more slow developing receivers in the NFL than there are rookie sensations.

I realize you, and everyone else, on this board has a man-crush on Gibbs. But he's a huge part of why this team is so old.

I believe the Portis for Bailey trade came in our favor. Bailey has missed a lot of games the last 2 years while Portis has played injured and has become and invaluable member of the team. Like I said Gibbs was brought in to win now and he inherited a mess, that's what you do when you are under the gun. The problem is that the days of being patient are gone, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Yeah, I have a man crush on Gibbs, if it wasn't for him and Beathard we would just be another shitty NFL team. He put us in the map and that's not to be forgotten, whether it was Gibbs I or II.

Redskins=Gibbs

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I believe the Portis for Bailey trade came in our favor. Bailey has missed a lot of games the last 2 years while Portis has played injured and has become and invaluable member of the team. Like I said Gibbs was brought in to win now and he inherited a mess, that's what you do when you are under the gun. The problem is that the days of being patient are gone, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Yeah, I have a man crush on Gibbs, if it wasn't for him and Beathard we would just be another shitty NFL team. He put us in the map and that's not to be forgotten, whether it was Gibbs I or II.

Redskins=Gibbs

Thank you SF, you beat me to it.
GibbsII might have had some warts, but he brought the team back to respectabilty. We were the laughing stock of the NFL before Gibbs came back. Eventhough Gibbs did not take us back to the Superbowl, but he turned the team around and left a playoff team for Ceratto and Zorn.
Ceratto and Zorn have since taken us back out of the playoffs.