If you were Vinny, what would you do to keep your job?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by irish

No matter what happens Vinny isnt going anywhere. It would be a huge mistake to fire Zorn no matter what happens (but nothing the Skins do would surprise me) and would be another step toward the Skins keeping Pace with the Raiders as teams nobody will want to go near.

You are right, JZ needs to stay! My jury is out on VC.....for now
Many fans including Skins fans scream for "Cowher"..........but they forget how many seasons it took to reach the pinacle.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Hog1

You are right, JZ needs to stay! My jury is out on VC.....for now
Many fans including Skins fans scream for "Cowher"..........but they forget how many seasons it took to reach the pinacle.

If you notice, Cowher's success came when the Steelers finally got rid of Kordell Stewart (after many years of trying to make him work out) and brought in a pro style QB. Cowher always had good Ds and a decent O but the QB kept holding them back.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

If you notice, Cowher's success came when the Steelers finally got rid of Kordell Stewart (after many years of trying to make him work out) and brought in a pro style QB. Cowher always had good Ds and a decent O but the QB kept holding them back.

How are you measuring success here? In four years with Stewart as the starting QB they went to two AFC Championship games

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How are you measuring success here? In four years with Stewart as the starting QB they went to two AFC Championship games

Which is further testament to Cowher's coaching prowess given how amazingly mediocre Stewart was.

Typical Kordell Stewart stat line: 9-23 passing, 143 yards, 2ints
64 rushing yards, 1td

[irish]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Which is further testament to Cowher's coaching prowess given how amazingly mediocre Stewart was.

Typical Kordell Stewart stat line: 9-23 passing, 143 yards, 2ints
64 rushing yards, 1td

I agree, it was amazing what Cowher did with KS as the QB. But in Pgh they define success as winning Super Bowls witnessed by the fact that the fans wanted him gone because he wasnt winning the Super Bowl but Rooney (the owner) stuck with him and they drafted BR, he came in and the rest is history.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

If you notice, Cowher's success came when the Steelers finally got rid of Kordell Stewart (after many years of trying to make him work out) and brought in a pro style QB. Cowher always had good Ds and a decent O but the QB kept holding them back.

Can we not subtly compare Jason Campbell to Kordell Stewart?

Especially if your definition of "pro style QB" is Roethlisberger. For everything he does do well, operate efficiently from the pocket and make good pre snap reads are not among them.

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can we not subtly compare Jason Campbell to Kordell Stewart?

Especially if your definition of "pro style QB" is Roethlisberger. For everything he does do well, operate efficiently from the pocket and make good pre snap reads are not among them.

I wasnt comparing them but if you want me to I will. I only stated what is a fact, once the Steelers got rid of KS after many years of trying to make him work they finally had success because the offense could finally score points. I get a chuckle out out of people that like to dis BR when all he has done since he came into the league is win a Super Bowl and take his team deep into the playoffs every year. For someone that cant operate from the pocket and make good pre-snap reads, he sure has been successful. FYI, a pro style QB drops back and throws the ball, he runs only when he has to. If you watch NFL games you can see that's what a pro style QB does. Thats what BR does which is why he's a pro style QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

I wasnt comparing them but if you want me to I will. I only stated what is a fact, once the Steelers got rid of KS after many years of trying to make him work they finally had success because the offense could finally score points. I get a chuckle out out of people that like to dis BR when all he has done since he came into the league is win a Super Bowl and take his team deep into the playoffs every year. For someone that cant operate from the pocket and make good pre-snap reads, he sure has been successful. FYI, a pro style QB drops back and throws the ball, he runs only when he has to. If you watch NFL games you can see that's what a pro style QB does. Thats what BR does which is why he's a pro style QB.

I think you are trying to imply that Jason Campbell isn't a pro-style QB. Which, if your prototype of the term is Roethlisberger, is worth many chuckles.

There's no doubt that Roethlisberger has had a successful five year career to date. Being a "pro-style QB" has little, if anything to do with that.

I mean, all you have to do is say what you mean. I'm just doing my best to read between the lines on your posts.