Bucs fire Coach Jon Gruden and GM Bruce Allen

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well Chucky did do a good job with headcases like Keyshawn and Warren Sapp. The question is would Gruden wan to go to that mess that is the Dallas Cowpukes

I think Gruden would be a good fit in Dallas, and anywhere else for that matter. We complain about lack of talent around here, but it's nothing compared to the Bucs. He worked wonders down there, in my opinion. They were a mess at QB, RB and WR every year he was there. How he managed to keep them competitive is beyond me. 9-3 was an mirage.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I think Gruden would be a good fit in Dallas, and anywhere else for that matter. We complain about lack of talent around here, but it's nothing compared to the Bucs. He worked wonders down there, in my opinion. They were a mess at QB, RB and WR every year he was there. How he managed to keep them competitive is beyond me. 9-3 was an mirage.

I think that had as much to do with Monte Kiffin as Gruden.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think that had as much to do with Monte Kiffin as Gruden.

Well then Kiffin deserves some credit for Gruden being fired, because his defense got lit up at the end of the season. The Bucs D has been solid the last few years, much like the Skins D, but they haven't been an elite unit for a while.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Well then Kiffin deserves some credit for Gruden being fired, because his defense got lit up at the end of the season. The Bucs D has been solid the last few years, much like the Skins D, but they haven't been an elite unit for a while.

Maybe. I think it's interesting though that Gruden gets fired after the same season Kiffin announces he's leaving.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Maybe. I think it's interesting though that Gruden gets fired after the same season Kiffin announces he's leaving.

You're right. Probably as good a time as any to start fresh with a whole new regime. I'm sure that had something to do with it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Maybe. I think it's interesting though that Gruden gets fired after the same season Kiffin announces he's leaving.

Well, I mean, makes sense to me. Kiffin was going anyway, why wait until Gruden loses a bunch of seasons in a row to jettison him when you're already moving the DC out now.

They must love Raheem Morris a lot, and good for them. There's no reason to sit him at defensive coordinator behind Gruden until you're tired of him. Just make the switch now when you know he's not going to be your head coach for the forseeable future.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I think Gruden would be a good fit in Dallas, and anywhere else for that matter. We complain about lack of talent around here, but it's nothing compared to the Bucs. He worked wonders down there, in my opinion. They were a mess at QB, RB and WR every year he was there. How he managed to keep them competitive is beyond me. 9-3 was an mirage.

I agree with some of this, however the Bucs (and I guess that's why the GM got fired) should have done something at QB. They kept piling up these backup QBs at best (Garcia, Griese, Plummer) and not make an effort to get a really good QB. I think they used to have a good running game, and got a lot out of the likes of Joey Galloway. I think if the Bucs had gotten a good QB, they would have fared better. Garcia was prob their best QB, but his age is showing.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I agree with some of this, however the Bucs (and I guess that's why the GM got fired) should have done something at QB. They kept piling up these backup QBs at best (Garcia, Griese, Plummer) and not make an effort to get a really good QB. I think they used to have a good running game, and got a lot out of the likes of Joey Galloway. I think if the Bucs had gotten a good QB, they would have fared better. Garcia was prob their best QB, but his age is showing.

Couldn't agree more. There's a reason no one else wants Garcia as their starter. They would have been one of the better teams in the NFC with a better QB. Actually, they pretty much were one of the better teams in the NFC year in and year out. A good QB would have gotten them over the hump.