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[djnemo65]

Right, that's what it is, fashion.

I know you like to vilify and demonize anyone whose views differ from yours, describing them alternatively as pierced slackers, loitering homosexuals, white flag waving francophiles, fornicating Europeans, or in this case, pro dead fetus dissimulators, but seriously, can't you consider the possibility that not sharing your values doesn't automatically make someone morally corrupt?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Right, that's what it is, fashion.

I know you like to vilify and demonize anyone whose views differ from yours, describing them alternatively as pierced slackers, loitering homosexuals, white flag waving francophiles, fornicating Europeans, or in this case, pro dead fetus dissimulators, but seriously, can't you consider the possibility that not sharing your values doesn't automatically make someone morally corrupt?

So who did you steal that quote from? It's baseless in application to 70.

Can't YOU consider that to pro-lifers in the world they consider abortion MURDER. THAT'S MURDER. Again I am not making that argument but it seems pretty ignorant of the pro-choicers who rarely consider that they aren't arguing with a side about taxes, or off-shore drilling. You are arguing with people who think you are ok with killing other people. Humans tend to get somewhat angry about murder so it stands to reason that they'd think pretty little of pro-lifers since they consider you tanatamount to murderers.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

So who did you steal that quote from? It's baseless in application to 70.

Can't YOU consider that to pro-lifers in the world they consider abortion MURDER. THAT'S MURDER. Again I am not making that argument but it seems pretty ignorant of the pro-choicers who rarely consider that they aren't arguing with a side about taxes, or off-shore drilling. You are arguing with people who think you are ok with killing other people. Humans tend to get somewhat angry about murder so it stands to reason that they'd think pretty little of pro-lifers since they consider you tanatamount to murderers.

??? That was all based on stuff that Chip has said at various times. Not made up, does apply. And dude, are you accusing me of plagiarism? I don’t know if you are trying to be cute or whatever but don't ever under any circumstances accuse me of that again. Maybe I am overreacting but that's something I take very seriously, especially on a message board where my original words are the only things I exist through.

My only issue was with chip imputing dishonesty to all those who claim to struggle with the abortion issue, as if he knows what they really think. As if you can’t support it unconditionally as law while still harboring personal reservations. One can debate the coherence of this as policy, I just don’t think it’s necessary to take it a step further and charge dishonesty. Anyway, regarding the larger issue, while I am obviously pro-choice for reasons I won't expound upon, I have always tried to treat those who disagree with me on this issue with respect, so I think you've got me all wrong again.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Right, that's what it is, fashion.

I know you like to vilify and demonize anyone whose views differ from yours, describing them alternatively as pierced slackers, loitering homosexuals, white flag waving francophiles, fornicating Europeans, or in this case, pro dead fetus dissimulators, but seriously, can't you consider the possibility that not sharing your values doesn't automatically make someone morally corrupt?

This is how one should post. This one gets a happy face. At least someone has been paying attention.

Our worldviews are just at odds. Your concept of morality is like a sand dune, ever shifting and unpermanent, while mine is more like a rock. It galls you that someone will actually say something is absolutely wrong, especially in the sexual realm. The reason is that God is at the center of my existence and your own false sense of yourself is at the center of yours. It's all very simple, really.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

This is how one should post. This one gets a happy face. At least someone has been paying attention.

Our worldviews are just at odds. Your concept of morality is like a sand dune, ever shifting and unpermanent, while mine is more like a rock. It galls you that someone will actually say something is absolutely wrong, especially in the sexual realm. The reason is that God is at the center of my existence and your own false sense of yourself is at the center of yours. It's all very simple, really.

I do pay attention to everything you write, and find you to be erudite and well-read. One of my favorite posters, at least most of the time.

I believe your God to be illusory and live a lifestyle in accordance with that. I consider my sense of self to be, far from false, the only thing I know for sure to be true. I reside in Japan - the world capitol of godless hedonism - and live an accordant lifestyle, one that would make Jesus cry. My morality has been constructed on a case by case basis. There are things I find to be absolutely wrong but all of them involve harming another person, and none of them involve consensual sex. You get this, and I get you. We disagree, but that's not a problem.

I just don't like your tendency towards judgment, to dichotomize the world into the “decent people” on one hand, and those who disagree with you – the amoral shadow lurkers – on the other. Or, in today’s case, to call a group of people liars for claiming to not, like, be thrilled about abortion. As if you know what they really think! I live life with the assumption that most people are fundamentally decent and you don’t. You instead often remind me of a Gran Torino Eastwood, snarling at the rest of the world to get off your porch while ruthlessly judging anyone you perceive to be different than you.

Respectfully,