Updated: Daschle Withdraws; Didn't these guys have to fill out an application?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Well there's a difference between saying it and meaning it. In either case, whether you openly admit it or not, meaning and knowing it is more important than saying it to me. I would guess there are plenty of times that politicians know they screwed up and don't say it. Telling everyone just helps make them feel better.

True true, and of course you can't say I screwed up all the time or you'll lose creditability. So long as people are being held accountable and the days of "I don't know," "I don't recall," "heck of a job," "so what?" are behind us I'm a happy camper.

[724Skinsfan]

^^ That's what I'm talking about.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Angry

I disagree, I believe that it is imperative that a leader have integrity and take responsibility for his/her actions. Somebody is going to find out, you might as well own up to it. It is ok to call yourself out, but if you are calling yourself out over the same mistake more than once, then you are showing that you have a weakness about you. In that case you may not want to own up to it, but by then you have already proven that you are seriously flawed as a leader and taking ownership no longer matters.

I think in this case, though, everyone already knows you messed up so you're not really stepping up to the plate. You're just in appeasement mode. I don't think his apology was a bad thing, mind you, just unnecessary at this point.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I think in this case, though, everyone already knows you messed up so you're not really stepping up to the plate. You're just in appeasement mode. I don't think his apology was a bad thing, mind you, just unnecessary at this point.

That post was making a statement in response to the posters comment that I bolded. It wasn't necessarily a statement about this particular issue. As far as that goes it's just political etiquette. I think that they take a course on it in college "How to appear to kiss ass 101".

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I know I'm in the minority but I really could care less if my leader says "I screwed up". We already know. You're forgiven. Now fix it. Hopefully, this will be the last time we hear "Sorry" even if he does truly seem to be genuine. He's doing a good job, he'll continue to need the confidence of the American people. I don't think calling yourself out is an effective tool for a leader.

Doing a good job? What has he done? I don't mean that in a bad way but I just don't think he has reall had time to do anything rather good or bad.

[Trample the Elderly]

We'll see how good he is now that he's a target of the media and not their darling. Seeing how a lot of his choices have had to drop out I think the honey-moon is over. Bush thought that he could do the same thing with Meyers. Obama is going to learn the same way W did.

[dmek25]

President imposes exec pay limits | Video
how is this for a start?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

We'll see how good he is now that he's a target of the media and not their darling. Seeing how a lot of his choices have had to drop out I think the honey-moon is over. Bush thought that he could do the same thing with Meyers. Obama is going to learn the same way W did.

A lot of his choices? He's appointed at least a dozen or more cabinet members and many more have been hired, and you bring up two?

And please don't compare Daschle with Harriet Meyers.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

President imposes exec pay limits | Video
how is this for a start?

It's red meat for the mob. There's nothing wrong with being compensated for doing good work but these mofo lost 35 billion and yet paid themselves nearly 20 billion in bonuses. They can go f*** themselves, I am sure they'll "quite their jobs" due to the pay cut and find an employer outside the financial industry willing to hire them and pay them handsomely

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

President imposes exec pay limits | Video
how is this for a start?

I think that about as dumb as they come. So now these guys move on to another job and no one worth a damb will take the job. Sounds good but I think it will have a negative effect not positive.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's red meat for the mob. There's nothing wrong with being compensated for doing good work but these mofo lost 35 billion and yet paid themselves nearly 20 billion in bonuses. They can go f*** themselves, I am sure they'll "quite their jobs" due to the pay cut and find an employer outside the financial industry willing to hire them and pay them handsomely

First off your right they will quit and no one worth a damb will take the job with those pay restrictions. Second they did not set their pay the stock holders and board members voted for their pay. Its called a contract and if the board made that bad of a choice and drew up that bad of a deal its the boards fault. Its like us bitching because the Skins paid JT 8 million and he had just a couple of sacks.

[firstdown]

"The administration also will propose long-term compensation restrictions even for companies that don’t receive government assistance, Obama said."

WOW, why not the Obama admit that they want to take over the banking so they can control all our dam money. They have allready talked about taking over our 401k plans and I'm sure they can f that up as bad as SS so we have nothing left and have to beg them for all our needs.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

A lot of his choices? He's appointed at least a dozen or more cabinet members and many more have been hired, and you bring up two?

And please don't compare Daschle with Harriet Meyers.

You'r right Harriet Meyers wasn't a lobbyist for the Health Care Industry.

Tom Daschle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I didn't bring up two. Those are just the latest. Bill Richardson withdrew for reasons unknown. Let's not forget Leon Panetta. The Democrats didn't even like that choice.

Top Democrats question Obama choice for CIA - International Herald Tribune

Why are you getting upset? I mean if it's good enough for me and my man Blade, why isn't it good for the politicians? Doesn't seem like a change I can believe in. Short-changed maybe.

[saden1]

Daschle is a former Senate leader. Meyers brought the governor's water bottles and possibly other things.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

First off your right they will quit and no one worth a damb will take the job with those pay restrictions. Second they did not set their pay the stock holders and board members voted for their pay. Its called a contract and if the board made that bad of a choice and drew up that bad of a deal its the boards fault. Its like us bitching because the Skins paid JT 8 million and he had just a couple of sacks.

First of those mofo won't easily find jobs outside the financial industry, certainly not in these current economic times and with "previous employer failed" on their resume.

Secondly corporate boards do whatever the CEO tells them 90% of the time. Rubber stamping CEO proposals is expected in most cases especially if the CEO owns a large number of voting shares in the company. A board member's duties include giving the CEO phat bonuses, during good times, and espouse the value of "being able to offer competitive wages to keep their best people" during the bad times. They have to do and say those sort of things because they got on the board due to The Corporate Board Buddy System™ which mandates you have great back scratching skills and the ability not to get caught with your pants down.

Finally they're getting bailout money so your JT analogy is worthless. If they don't want the money they can go pay their CEO whatever they like and go out of business in the process. Their is a price to pay for getting baildout money. No one likes seeing a friend they just lent $500 because they "needed it" and then see them sporting a new iPod the next day. You ain't getting a goddamn iPod on my dime mofo. No sir.