lets discuss the free agents we really dont want and why!

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Maybe the year he threw 56% you could argue that but when a QB throws 52% and even 50% during his shortened season, well thats not just a problem with his recievers. Thats a QB problem. The most you can spot him his probably 3%-5% points and the upper part of that is stretching it. Plus you can't count on going a season without drops from pass catchers.

I guess that maybe you need to see it first hand before you can truly understand what I'm talking about. It is not much of an exaggeration when I say that they dropped almost everything. It's unfortunate that youtube does not have lowlight videos on NFL players.

To put it into perspective do you remember our game against the Packers the season before last and how many balls our recievers dropped? That is what Vick went through almost every game. All of the Falcon's fans knew it too.

If you look at some of the videos of Vick's abbreviated training camp 2 seasons ago you will see his accuracy. Also, if you read the posts under the video's you will see people clowning about how the recievers were finally catching passes.

I will completely ignor any comments about how terrible he was at the QB competetion before he was convicted. He obviously hasd alot of S**t on his mind. I give him a pass.

[That Guy]

some people aren't worth arguing with.

seriously, if you think vick's the second coming, and his terrible stats over his entire career somehow aren't his fault AT ALL, more power to you, but to me he's just an electric (and fumble prone) running back that can throw and never lived up to the hype. he'll be out, but even if he gets back in the nfl, it'll be for pennies and i don't expect he'll have any more success this time around.

mcnabb had terrible receivers, so did drew brees, it's not like he's the ONLY guy in the history of the NFL to have crap WRs... but the other QBs were actually, you know, good, so they made it work.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by That Guy

some people aren't worth arguing with.

seriously, if you think vick's the second coming, and his terrible stats over his entire career somehow aren't his fault AT ALL, more power to you, but to me he's just an electric (and fumble prone) running back that can throw and never lived up to the hype. he'll be out, but even if he gets back in the nfl, it'll be for pennies and i don't expect he'll have any more success this time around.

mcnabb had terrible receivers, so did drew brees, it's not like he's the ONLY guy in the history of the NFL to have crap WRs... but the other QBs were actually, you know, good, so they made it work.

Never said Vick was the second coming, honestly where do you get this stuff? In all honesty this time around I am more interested in him as a slash player. Maybe a backup or a temp fix until Brennan or the next big thing is ready to start. If JC comes back then cool.

It took both of those QB's 6 and 4 years respectably to put up numbers considerably better than Vicks (% and passer rating). Neither of them missed an entire season (early in their careers) due to injury either.

Every QB develops at a different pace and some good ones later in their life and/or careers ie Kurt Warner, Randall Cunningham, Roger Staubach, Trent Green, Rich Gannon, Kerry Collins to name a few. Notice that I said good and not great outstanding or excellent.

I am not calling Vick great, but he is not as bad as you guys are making him out to be either. I feel that he could be cheap and he can help any team in more ways than one. Not just a a passer.

Now since you believe that I am not worth arguing with "Airman", I will not be expecting a reply.

[That Guy]

is that name calling? are we in 5th grade?

look, you're saying A) yeah, so what if other QBs were better, vick missed a season (which is, i believe, another excuse). and you're saying the skins should sign him? seriously? how can you sign him as a temp fix when he doesn't/wouldn't actually fix anything??

um, no thanks.

besides, those guys that developed later on studied playbooks and learned their systems - something that vick's coaches have always knocked him on for either A) no being up to it, or B) thinking he was good enough without the extra effort. That and a few years playing with the prison system don't set a good track record for late career success.

and why i say the argument isn't worth the time, it that i already know vick's a dead end, and you're convinced (you "know") he's not. All I see are excuses for why he sucked, but somehow it's not his fault. I doubt you're changing you mind either, cause if you were, the whole years of not being good in the NFL and prison/dog thing would have already swayed you.

so it's pretty pointless.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by That Guy

is that name calling? are we in 5th grade?

look, you're saying A) yeah, so what if other QBs were better, vick missed a season (which is, i believe, another excuse). and you're saying the skins should sign him? seriously? how can you sign him as a temp fix when he doesn't/wouldn't actually fix anything??

um, no thanks.

besides, those guys that developed later on studied playbooks and learned their systems - something that vick's coaches have always knocked him on for either A) no being up to it, or B) thinking he was good enough without the extra effort. That and a few years playing with the prison system good set a good track record for late career success.

Never thought of it as name calling, but I guess it is huh. LOL!

As far as the "temp fix when he doesn't/wouldn't actually fix anything" phrase goes. I happen to believe that our weakness is on the offensive side. Mostly the offensive line, but outside of Moss there is no other reciever production (Cooley not included) and outside of Portis there is no out of the backfield production. I believe that in addition to being a backup QB he could help us those areas as well as be a return man. He would be cheap and he could help so long as we address the Oline. And if somewhere down the line we needed him to fill in at QB he could be an option. He is just too good of an Athlete to not take a "cheap chance on" especially if no one else will. Note: that I am not talking about gimmick plays either. I am talking about lining him up as a receiver and/or using him out of the backfield. If the opportunity for him to play QB arises, then I am confident in his abilities.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Angry

Never thought of it as name calling, but I guess it is huh. LOL!

As far as the "temp fix when he doesn't/wouldn't actually fix anything" phrase goes. I happen to believe that our weakness is on the offensive side. Mostly the offensive line, but outside of Moss there is no other reciever production (Cooley not included) and outside of Portis there is no out of the backfield production. I believe that in addition to being a backup QB he could help us those areas as well as be a return man. He would be cheap and he could help so long as we address the Oline. And if somewhere down the line we needed him to fill in at QB he could be an option. He is just too good of an Athlete to not take a "cheap chance on" especially if no one else will. Note: that I am not talking about gimmick plays either. I am talking about lining him up as a receiver and/or using him out of the backfield. If the opportunity for him to play QB arises, then I am confident in his abilities.

see, that seems a lot more reasonable.

the problem is, i don't think he's had enough experience to be a good enough receiver and i don't think he'd make a great return man (more prone to injuries and he fumbles a lot). I definitely think he has the speed and moves for it, but getting hit repeatedly, holding the ball, and staying in the game aren't really his strong suits.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by That Guy

see, that seems a lot more reasonable.

the problem is, i don't think he's had enough experience to be a good enough receiver and i don't think he'd make a great return man (more prone to injuries and he fumbles a lot). I definitely think he has the speed and moves for it, but getting hit repeatedly, holding the ball, and staying in the game aren't really his strong suits.

Most of his fumbles were as a passer though. Many could have been prevented by tucking the football which QB's do not do enough of. As far as getting hit. He would be taking less shots in those positions. In reality if you think of using him the way that I do. It's worth the risk vs. reward factor. And in the end if he becomes a solid QB, then it's a hell of a bonus.

I appologize if I wasn't that clear at first, I was under the impression that you were aware of my previous posts on Vick in other threads. I was backing up his QB ability on this thread, but I was voicing these same thoughts about him playing other positions on different threads.

[Ruhskins]

Why don't we turn this into the Michael Vick thread? It's been very amusing reading all of this, especially about a guy in jail. LOL.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Why don't we turn this into the Michael Vick thread? It's been very amusing reading all of this, especially about a guy in jail. LOL.

Where have you been? We already have and you a partially to blame.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Angry

Where have you been? We already have and you a partially to blame.

I've been too distracted by the excitement of the upcoming free agency period at midnight! LOL.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I've been too distracted by the excitement of the upcoming free agency period at midnight! LOL.

Aren't we all, but I have ran out of beer and I am creeping closer and closer to the bed. I hope I can make it another hour and 20 minutes.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Angry

Aren't we all, but I have ran out of beer and I am creeping closer and closer to the bed. I hope I can make it another hour and 20 minutes.

Try Red Bull and Vodka, that will keep you awake...or give you a heart attack, I forgot which one is correct. LOL.