Albert Haynesworth is a Redskin!!!!

[Dblock804]

Originally Posted by dmek25

man, this move scares the hell out of me. he had better be the real deal

Think how Romo must feel.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Dblock804

Think how Romo must feel.

And McNabb and Eli too.

I love the signing because, for a few years we'll all seen and complained how the D-Line is our biggest hole, especially the DTs. We can no longer say it is a weakness.

If our O-line can stay healthy or we upgrade it with the draft, we're a rock solid team everywhere except kicker/punter...and hopefully our defense can negate the punting situation and the offense can score TDs instead of relying on Suisham.

We are a better team now than last year already.

I hope we can get Dockery somehow now.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Buster

And McNabb and Eli too.

I love the signing because, for a few years we'll all seen and complained how the D-Line is our biggest hole, especially the DTs. We can no longer say it is a weakness.

If our O-line can stay healthy or we upgrade it with the draft, we're a rock solid team everywhere except kicker/punter...and hopefully our defense can negate the punting situation and the offense can score TDs instead of relying on Suisham.

We are a better team now than last year already.

I hope we can get Dockery somehow now.

Absolutely. No doubt about it.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Buster

And McNabb and Eli too.

I love the signing because, for a few years we'll all seen and complained how the D-Line is our biggest hole, especially the DTs. We can no longer say it is a weakness.

If our O-line can stay healthy or we upgrade it with the draft, we're a rock solid team everywhere except kicker/punter...and hopefully our defense can negate the punting situation and the offense can score TDs instead of relying on Suisham.

We are a better team now than last year already.

I hope we can get Dockery somehow now.

I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.

Fair point, but free agent DTs Dave Butz, Tim Johnson, and Cornelius Griffin did pretty well for us when we signed them

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.

Wikinson had two good years with us, and put up some really good numbers in his first year. His numbers were not the same the next two and had a bad final year with us.

Year Tkls/Solo/Sacks/FF
1998 44/38/7.5/0
1999 32/23/8.0/1
2000 21/16/3.5/0
2001 25/19/4/0
2002 16/12/0/0

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Wikinson had two good years with us, and put up some really good numbers in his first year. His numbers were not the same the next two and had a bad final year with us.

Year Tkls/Solo/Sacks/FF
1998 44/38/7.5/0
1999 32/23/8.0/1
2000 21/16/3.5/0
2001 25/19/4/0
2002 16/12/0/0

Glad you posted this. DW gets a bit of a bad rep. The other thing about Wilkinson is his presence instead helped Kenard Lang get like 7 sacks a year for '98 and '99.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Wikinson had two good years with us, and put up some really good numbers in his first year. His numbers were not the same the next two and had a bad final year with us.

Year Tkls/Solo/Sacks/FF
1998 44/38/7.5/0
1999 32/23/8.0/1
2000 21/16/3.5/0
2001 25/19/4/0
2002 16/12/0/0

We still signed two guys big free agents and our defense during that time was not our strong point.

Our offense rolled us through the 2nd round of the playoffs in '99.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

We still signed two guys big free agents and our defense during that time was not our strong point.

Our offense rolled us through the 2nd round of the playoffs in '99.

Well, here are the Redskins' defensive ranking between '98 and 2000.

Year Rank
1998 15th
1999 2nd
2000 11th

In 2000 the defensive rankings fell to #28 and in 2001 they were only 20th.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I don't want to be a downer but I would like to be the voice of reason.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson signing years ago?...Don't get too excited for Haynesworth yet because he has yet to show what he can do in OUR system.

We got two stallwort DT's with Stubby and Wilkinson and their effect on our defense was minimal. Haynesworth is one person and subject to the scheme that he plays in.

Let's have some tempered realism with our expectations.

We signed Stubblefield at the end of his career, much like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and half our roster in that "era" I needed a refresher on Wilkinson's production so I checked out his stats. He had 8.0 and 7.5 sacks in his first two years with us, actually up from his previous career average. Then he fell off to 3.5 and 4, but he did have 23 sacks in 4 years and even scored a TD for us. He was never brought in with the expectation of being the top defensive lineman in the game like Haynesworth, neither was the aging Stubblefield even though he was paid nicely from Snyder.

Haynesworth is still young and can have many productive years with us. Also, we've watched Snyder actually learn and become a smarter signer of players over the years. He actually addresses needs now rather than just paying for the best free agents he can get and trying to out-talent other teams. He's a much more competent owner than early in his career, I believe Joe Gibbs taught him a lot.

I trust him now. Back in the "Stubblefield" days, he was a reckless check writer. Now, the Redskins actually have a vision for the future instead of "just win now".

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Buster

We signed Stubblefield at the end of his career, much like Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and half our roster in that "era". ... [Wilkinson] was never brought in with the expectation of being the top defensive lineman in the game like Haynesworth, neither was the aging Stubblefield even though he was paid nicely from Snyder.

...

I trust him now. Back in the "Stubblefield" days, he was a reckless check writer. Now, the Redskins actually have a vision for the future instead of "just win now".

1. Stubblefield was 27, a five year vet, and coming off a season in which he was named defensive player of the year when he signed with us and played six more years (three with us, two with SF and one with Oakland).

2. Stubblefield was pre-Snyder.

Hopefully, Haynesworth will not be a Stubblefield redux or a Jevon Kearse-like error (Yes, yes - I know Kearse was a Philly dumb play, but it was a dumb play nonetheless). Who knows, maybe its a Reggie White like move. My preference would have been for more inexpensive signing to shore up the O-line. But hey, what do I know.

[JWDundees]

I would have rather grabbed Canty...re-signed Hall...then get Dockery. From a locker room standpoint...is London Fletcher still going to be able to be a leader...or are Hall and AH going to be like F off old man we get paid more. Same thing with Chris Samuels and all those other guys that restructured. They broke their you know whats for this franchise...took pay cuts...then watch two punks...(and they are punks lets not beat around the bush here) get paid more than they have ever seen. I thought we were on the right path last year by building through the draft and grabbing small pieces in FA to enhance the team. Here we go again.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JWDundees

I would have rather grabbed Canty...re-signed Hall...then get Dockery. From a locker room standpoint...is London Fletcher still going to be able to be a leader...or are Hall and AH going to be like F off old man we get paid more. Same thing with Chris Samuels and all those other guys that restructured. They broke their you know whats for this franchise...took pay cuts...then watch two punks...(and they are punks lets not beat around the bush here) get paid more than they have ever seen. I thought we were on the right path last year by building through the draft and grabbing small pieces in FA to enhance the team. Here we go again.

Last off-season we were in a situation where we unexpectedly had to search for a new coach, none of the free agents really appealed to us, and we had a heavy dosage of draft picks. This year, unless we are able to pull off trades (anyone else hearing that Springs is going to Houston for the Texans' 4th rounder they just from Minnesota? Got a weak source on that one) we have to look at free agency.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Last off-season we were in a situation where we unexpectedly had to search for a new coach, none of the free agents really appealed to us, and we had a heavy dosage of draft picks. This year, unless we are able to pull off trades (anyone else hearing that Springs is going to Houston for the Texans' 4th rounder they just from Minnesota? Got a weak source on that one) we have to look at free agency.

If true, that would be a great deal for a number of reasons:

1) We would be getting a much needed draft pick at a round certain to yield us a good special teams player at minimum.
2) If we couldnt trade him, we'd have to cut him and get nothing in return.
3) I get the pleasure of knowing we screwed Springs over by making him play for the sorry texans.
4) The Texans get a player who would never in a million years come to them of his own free will
5) There arent as many stiff breezes in Houston, so theres less of a chance a 1 MPH wind will result in Springs being injured and inactive on gameday.
6) Springs will be much closer to his father and will have a shorter flight to visit him on the weeks he schedules his calf injuries.
7) Springs will be just a hop, skip, and jump away from his BFF Terrell Owens house. Instead of flying, he can just drive over to T.O.s crib and they can watch the playoffs together again.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If true, that would be a great deal for a number of reasons:

1) We would be getting a much needed draft pick at a round certain to yield us a good special teams player at minimum.
2) If we couldnt trade him, we'd have to cut him and get nothing in return.
3) I get the pleasure of knowing we screwed Springs over by making him play for the sorry texans.
4) The Texans get a player who would never in a million years come to them of his own free will
5) There arent as many stiff breezes in Houston, so theres less of a chance a 1 MPH wind will result in Springs being injured and inactive on gameday.
6) Springs will be much closer to his father and will have a shorter flight to visit him on the weeks he schedules his calf injuries.
7) Springs will be just a hop, skip, and jump away from his BFF Terrell Owens house. Instead of flying, he can just drive over to T.O.s crib and they can watch the playoffs together again.

LMAO. Good one.

Seriously though, that trade would make sense.