Defensive line arrangement

[KLHJ2]

It would just cause teams to pass on obvious running downs. Our team has been pretty stout against the run. There is no reason to change what already works. We just need a bit more of a pass rush and for our D to get off of the field more on 3rd down. We may have accomplished that by picking up Haynesworth, but as always I am in wait and see mode.

As far as Montgomery and Golston only being depth, I disagree. Both are solid starters, but not anchors. Both of them had good performances in a defense that ranked 4th in the league. They may not be pro bowlers, but they get the job done.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Angry

It would just cause teams to pass on obvious running downs. Our team has been pretty stout against the run. There is no reason to change what already works. We just need a bit more of a pass rush and for our D to get off of the field more on 3rd down. We may have accomplished that by picking up Haynesworth, but as always I am in wait and see mode.

As far as Montgomery and Golston only being depth, I disagree. Both are solid starters, but not anchors. Both of them had good performances in a defense that ranked 4th in the league. They may not be pro bowlers, but they get the job done.

When have you seen either one of them collapse the pocket to pressure the quarterback? Yea they can stop the run but they don't do anything on passing downs.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

When have you seen either one of them collapse the pocket to pressure the quarterback? Yea they can stop the run but they don't do anything on passing downs.

We are seeing and saying the exact same thing, but we have a different perspective between the their value in terms of depth versus starters. I see them as starters, but not as anchors or a 1 technique. If we were to put it into terms of WR's they are both number 2's. Unfortunately, The DT position does not work that way, their position is determined by what gap they are best suited for. Neither is exceptional pass rushing or taking on the double team like a RDT or a 1 technique. They are both solid 3 technique DT's. With an anchor or a solid 1 technique DT beside them they can excell, but they have not had that luxery yet. Hopefully with the addition of Haynesworth we will see improvment in terms of productivity.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by Angry

We are seeing and saying the exact same thing, but we have a different perspective between the their value in terms of depth versus starters. I see the as starters, but not as anchors or a 1 technique. If we were to put it into terms of WR's they are both number 2's. Unfortunately, The DT position does not work that way, their position is determined by what gap they are best suited for. Neither is exceptional pass rushing or taking on the double team like a RDT or a 1 technique. They are both solid 3 technique DT's. With an anchor or a solid 1 technique DT beside them they can excell, but they have not had that luxery yet. Hopefully with the addition of Haynesworth we will see improvment in terms of productivity.

I think Montgomery has the size to play RDT, i just see him more as a backup. Golston on the other hand I always thought as a LDT. I agree that they will show mass improvement playing in the position they are best suited for(Haynesworth also will be a big part of it). I was talking in regards to the comment in switching them to DE. We can't always just plug players into positions and expect good results. We need a LDE, let's draft one instead of plugging a DT in there.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I think Montgomery has the size to play RDT, i just see him more as a backup. Golston on the other hand I always thought as a LDT. I agree that they will show mass improvement playing in the position they are best suited for(Haynesworth also will be a big part of it). I was talking in regards to the comment in switching them to DE. We can't always just plug players into positions and expect good results. We need a LDE, let's draft one instead of plugging a DT in there.

I could not agree more, but those guys you can find a little later on in the draft, usually around the 2nd to 4th round.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

When have you seen either one of them collapse the pocket to pressure the quarterback? Yea they can stop the run but they don't do anything on passing downs.

that's also part of the scheme unfortunately, when you play for the run you've given the blocker an advantage on a passing down and don't as quick of a burst

[GoSkins!]

We need a guy like Daniels to complete the "running down" package. The guy may be ancient, but he can hold his ground and keep contain. I'd put Haynesworth and Montgomery inside and Carter and Daniels on the ends. Last year Montgomery was commanding a double team most of the time (even more than Griffith). You can't double him and Haynesworth and expect to keep Carter off your QB. I'd love to see the blitzing lanes if those two guys can start dominating at the line.

I'd like to hear from Gtripp on who he would rather see next to Haynesworth, Monty or Griff based on the tape he was looking at last year.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Angry

As far as Montgomery and Golston only being depth, I disagree. Both are solid starters, but not anchors. Both of them had good performances in a defense that ranked 4th in the league. They may not be pro bowlers, but they get the job done.

I have to disagree.
Rocky McIntosh, London Fletcher-Baker, and Chris Horton were a huge reason for us being so stout against the run. And our secondary played outstanding football last year to compensate for the lack of push our D line got. If anything their performance hindered our D, and kept us from being first in the league. Our corners and safeties played and covered so many times for 5 seconds (sometimes even when we were blitzing) and still shut down plays that it was unreal.

Golston is quality depth, and Montgomery has the gifts to be an all pro. You can see it from time to time, but he cannot or will not consistently produce. I'm not sure what his problem is, but its sad because the guy is probably one of the strongest D linemen in the league. He had his best year last year with 15 tackles and 2 sacks. I know he split time, but he needs to lose a few pounds and get his conditioning right so he can make a constant impact on D.