Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13

53Fan · 03-11-2009, 04:00 PM

At #13 I'd still take Alex Mack. Various scouting reports have said the following: " The best o-lineman in the draft PERIOD." * " Reportedly the only lineman who could contain B.J. Raji on the first day of practice at the Senior Bowl." * " Drove Raji off the line." * " Could play any position on the line except LT." * " The only center in years who deserves to be taken in the first round." Keep Heyer at RT. He could very well work out, if not, draft a LT next year. In the meantime you've gotten the best center prospect to come along in years. You have a player who can play multiple positions. You have improved your o-line this year. LB or DE in the third.

SFREDSKIN · 03-11-2009, 04:10 PM

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At #13 I'd still take Alex Mack. Various scouting reports have said the following: " The best o-lineman in the draft PERIOD." * " Reportedly the only lineman who could contain B.J. Raji on the first day of practice at the Senior Bowl." * " Drove Raji off the line." * " Could play any position on the line except LT." * " The only center in years who deserves to be taken in the first round." Keep Heyer at RT. He could very well work out, if not, draft a LT next year. In the meantime you've gotten the best center prospect to come along in years. You have a player who can play multiple positions. You have improved your o-line this year. LB or DE in the third.

1000% in agreement!! Smith is going to be a bust Oher, moher has potential but could take time. Mack you just plug into your lineup and watch him contain Ratliff, Patterson, Bunkley, Fred Robbins and Barry Coffield, all our NFC East inside linemen.

Trample the Elderly · 03-11-2009, 04:20 PM

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1000% in agreement!! Smith is going to be a bust Oher, moher has potential but could take time. Mack you just plug into your lineup and watch him contain Ratliff, Patterson, Bunkley, Fred Robbins and Barry Coffield, all our NFC East inside linemen.

Yup, I second the Mack Train.

Nflnick11 · 03-11-2009, 04:14 PM

I'll still take smith, it's not about your performance on the combine, it's about how you perform on the field which smith is really good at, I'll also take maualuga and Oher...and for all you fans of getting a center, especially mack, don't expect us to get one, because I heard or saw somewhere that Vinny thinks rabach is fine and that we have worse needs at tackle, plus he's well awhere that rabach is one of our younger lineman...our problem is at RT and RG, at the moment... And oher and smith can play both those positions...

SFREDSKIN · 03-11-2009, 04:20 PM

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I'll still take smith, it's not about your performance on the combine, it's about how you perform on the field which smith is really good at, I'll also take maualuga and Oher...and for all you fans of getting a center, especially mack, don't expect us to get one, because I heard or saw somewhere that Vinny thinks rabach is fine and that we have worse needs at tackle, plus he's well awhere that rabach is one of our younger lineman...our problem is at RT and RG, at the moment... And oher and smith can play both those positions...

That's why Vinny is the village idiot!! Smith is not looking good. Why did Smith let himself go? Especially knowing that you have to perform in front of pro scouts and NFL personnel, that's inexcusable. I'm sorry, he has a big ? all over him.

Ruhskins · 03-11-2009, 04:30 PM

So after all this clamor about addressing the line, we may end up getting a defensive player at #13. I think people are making too much of this combine and pro day business (funny I didn't see Oher or Monroe in the top performers at the combine).

FRPLG · 03-11-2009, 04:49 PM

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So after all this clamor about addressing the line, we may end up getting a defensive player at #13. I think people are making too much of this combine and pro day business (funny I didn't see Oher or Monroe in the top performers at the combine).

Yeah but they also didn't universally tank.

SFREDSKIN · 03-11-2009, 04:58 PM

Bill (NJ): You look at the top 10 Mel, which player do you think has the best chance to become a "bust?"

SportsNation Mel Kiper: First of all, you hope none of the guys you have in the top 10 are busts. You shouldn't have them that high if they're going to be busts. The QBs are tough. Everyone thinks the OTs are guarantees. A Malcolm Jenkins, if he turns into a safety not a CB, then that would be a disappointment, because you're drafting him as a CB. Heyward-Bey, he dropped some catchable balls. Limited production in some games this year. Clay Matthews coming out of USC was kind of a one-year wonder. Vontae Davis had several games this year where he was inconsistent. Everette Brown, a DE from FSU, not real tall, not real fast. When you're only 6-1 and only run 4.68, 4.73, usually you have to run 4.55 if you're 6-1 and a DE. Andre Smith, he mismanaged the combine. He was suspended for the last game of his career. If you're not dependable and reliable, it's hard to be a great LT in this league.

SmootSmack · 03-11-2009, 05:01 PM

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Bill (NJ): You look at the top 10 Mel, which player do you think has the best chance to become a "bust?"

SportsNation Mel Kiper: First of all, you hope none of the guys you have in the top 10 are busts. You shouldn't have them that high if they're going to be busts. The QBs are tough. Everyone thinks the OTs are guarantees. A Malcolm Jenkins, if he turns into a safety not a CB, then that would be a disappointment, because you're drafting him as a CB. Heyward-Bey, he dropped some catchable balls. Limited production in some games this year. Clay Matthews coming out of USC was kind of a one-year wonder. Vontae Davis had several games this year where he was inconsistent. Everette Brown, a DE from FSU, not real tall, not real fast. When you're only 6-1 and only run 4.68, 4.73, usually you have to run 4.55 if you're 6-1 and a DE. Andre Smith, he mismanaged the combine. He was suspended for the last game of his career. If you're not dependable and reliable, it's hard to be a great LT in this league.

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FRPLG · 03-11-2009, 05:03 PM

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BigHairedAristocrat · 03-11-2009, 05:01 PM

Considering our need at RT, LB, and DE, i dont see how anyone could justify drafting a CENTER at 13. Would he be an upgrade over Rabach? Sure? But Center is probably our 6th or 7th greatest need at this point and we would be fools to take a center so high. Not only would it be a huge reach to take him that High, but it wouldnt even be filling a major need.

53Fan · 03-11-2009, 06:58 PM

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Considering our need at RT, LB, and DE, i dont see how anyone could justify drafting a CENTER at 13. Would he be an upgrade over Rabach? Sure? But Center is probably our 6th or 7th greatest need at this point and we would be fools to take a center so high. Not only would it be a huge reach to take him that High, but it wouldnt even be filling a major need.

I understand what you're saying BHA but Mack WOULD make our line better in a big way. I see you did'nt have receiver as a need. If a young Jerry Rice were available would you take him anyway or pass him up?

GTripp0012 · 03-11-2009, 07:45 PM

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Considering our need at RT, LB, and DE, i dont see how anyone could justify drafting a CENTER at 13. Would he be an upgrade over Rabach? Sure? But Center is probably our 6th or 7th greatest need at this point and we would be fools to take a center so high. Not only would it be a huge reach to take him that High, but it wouldnt even be filling a major need.

Because it deemphasizes the RT need significantly. You'd only take a Center at No. 13 if you were absoultely confident that he would start on day one and would not need competition for the next five years, obviously. Equally obviously, if you could get a franchise type tackle that fits all the same critera, you'd pass on the Center for the tackle.

But if you are comparing a flawed Tackle prospect to an ideal Center prospect, you'd obviously go with the Center. It's just a big whos' available game.

53Fan · 03-12-2009, 09:44 AM

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Because it deemphasizes the RT need significantly. You'd only take a Center at No. 13 if you were absoultely confident that he would start on day one and would not need competition for the next five years, obviously. Equally obviously, if you could get a franchise type tackle that fits all the same critera, you'd pass on the Center for the tackle.

But if you are comparing a flawed Tackle prospect to an ideal Center prospect, you'd obviously go with the Center. It's just a big whos' available game.

Very well put.

Nflnick11 · 03-11-2009, 05:04 PM

SFredskin, I'm with you on vinny, in the end it doesn't matter what we think, or we want, it's what snyderatto wants, I wonder if they look at this site regularly, cause if they did, and listened to the majority of the fans, then they wouldn't be as hated and be pleasing us...we'd probably be a consistent playoff team if the just listened to the majority of the fans..

03-11-2009, 04:14 PM	#4
Nflnick11 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 432	Re: Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13 I'll still take smith, it's not about your performance on the combine, it's about how you perform on the field which smith is really good at, I'll also take maualuga and Oher...and for all you fans of getting a center, especially mack, don't expect us to get one, because I heard or saw somewhere that Vinny thinks rabach is fine and that we have worse needs at tackle, plus he's well awhere that rabach is one of our younger lineman...our problem is at RT and RG, at the moment... And oher and smith can play both those positions...

03-11-2009, 04:30 PM	#6
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,378	Re: Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13 So after all this clamor about addressing the line, we may end up getting a defensive player at #13. I think people are making too much of this combine and pro day business (funny I didn't see Oher or Monroe in the top performers at the combine). __________________ R.I.P. #21

03-11-2009, 04:58 PM	#8
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13 Bill (NJ): You look at the top 10 Mel, which player do you think has the best chance to become a "bust?" SportsNation Mel Kiper: First of all, you hope none of the guys you have in the top 10 are busts. You shouldn't have them that high if they're going to be busts. The QBs are tough. Everyone thinks the OTs are guarantees. A Malcolm Jenkins, if he turns into a safety not a CB, then that would be a disappointment, because you're drafting him as a CB. Heyward-Bey, he dropped some catchable balls. Limited production in some games this year. Clay Matthews coming out of USC was kind of a one-year wonder. Vontae Davis had several games this year where he was inconsistent. Everette Brown, a DE from FSU, not real tall, not real fast. When you're only 6-1 and only run 4.68, 4.73, usually you have to run 4.55 if you're 6-1 and a DE. Andre Smith, he mismanaged the combine. He was suspended for the last game of his career. If you're not dependable and reliable, it's hard to be a great LT in this league. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

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BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13 Considering our need at RT, LB, and DE, i dont see how anyone could justify drafting a CENTER at 13. Would he be an upgrade over Rabach? Sure? But Center is probably our 6th or 7th greatest need at this point and we would be fools to take a center so high. Not only would it be a huge reach to take him that High, but it wouldnt even be filling a major need. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

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Nflnick11 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 432	Re: Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13 SFredskin, I'm with you on vinny, in the end it doesn't matter what we think, or we want, it's what snyderatto wants, I wonder if they look at this site regularly, cause if they did, and listened to the majority of the fans, then they wouldn't be as hated and be pleasing us...we'd probably be a consistent playoff team if the just listened to the majority of the fans..

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53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13 At #13 I'd still take Alex Mack. Various scouting reports have said the following: " The best o-lineman in the draft PERIOD." * " Reportedly the only lineman who could contain B.J. Raji on the first day of practice at the Senior Bowl." * " Drove Raji off the line." * " Could play any position on the line except LT." * " The only center in years who deserves to be taken in the first round." Keep Heyer at RT. He could very well work out, if not, draft a LT next year. In the meantime you've gotten the best center prospect to come along in years. You have a player who can play multiple positions. You have improved your o-line this year. LB or DE in the third. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

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