Andre Smith still leads in the Database at #13

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think picking a LB or DE as our 1st pick would be a mistake. the reason being is right now the Giants D on paper is incredible and we need to counter balance that by strengthening the OL first.

I don't disagree w/ your thinking here but I'm pointing to the likely reality... the three OTs worthy of the 13th overall pick will be gone by then almost for sure. That leaves the questionable Smith and a small group (Meridith, Beatty) who would be a big reach at 13. If we can't trade out of the spot then Rey, if still available, is a safer pick than Smith, Mack, etc. The absolute worst case scenario IMHO is taking Smith or Mack or another o-lineman w/ our first pick and the dude is unable start ahead of the guys we already have. For instance as unimpressive as Rabach is I doubt Buges would put a rookie ahead of him. Same w/ Jansen vs. Smith. Rey would start and be a force from day one.

... and like I said we'll be able to get OT talent from FA as things shake out here. I'm not saying I'm perfectly happy w/ the outcome as I see it, but we cannot afford to waste our pick in terms of a player who doesn't make an immediate impact at the 2 positions of need for us.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't disagree w/ your thinking here but I'm pointing to the likely reality... the three OTs worthy of the 13th overall pick will be gone by then almost for sure. That leaves the questionable Smith and a small group (Meridith, Beatty) who would be a big reach at 13. If we can't trade out of the spot then Rey, if still available, is a safer pick than Smith, Mack, etc. The absolute worst case scenario IMHO is taking Smith or Mack or another o-lineman w/ our first pick and the dude is unable start ahead of the guys we already have. For instance as unimpressive as Rabach is I doubt Buges would put a rookie ahead of him. Same w/ Jansen vs. Smith. Rey would start and be a force from day one.

... and like I said we'll be able to get OT talent from FA as things shake out here. I'm not saying I'm perfectly happy w/ the outcome as I see it, but we cannot afford to waste our pick in terms of a player who doesn't make an immediate impact at the 2 positions of need for us.

Where would Rey start? Rey is NOT an OLB. He is strictly a MLB, he's not that fast (4.85) and he can't cover. I would not take Smith or Maualuga at 13, but yes if I had to choose, Maualuga is a safer pick than Smith or Mack. I'd trade down draft Mack with the 1st, pick a DE in the 2nd and draft a OLB with our 3rd pick.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Where would Rey start? Rey is NOT an OLB. He is strictly a MLB, he's not that fast (4.85) and he can't cover. I would not take Smith or Maualuga at 13, but yes if I had to choose, Maualuga is a safer pick than Smith or Mack. I'd trade down draft Mack with the 1st, pick a DE in the 2nd and draft a OLB with our 3rd pick.

Sorry but I can't go along w/ a LB in the 3rd round. Despite the hype this draft group of LBs isn't excessively deep wrt talent and we need a legit starter. I doubt we get one beyond the 1st round, maybe w/ the 33rd overall but again I don't think that's a chance worth taking...

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't disagree w/ your thinking here but I'm pointing to the likely reality... the three OTs worthy of the 13th overall pick will be gone by then almost for sure. That leaves the questionable Smith and a small group (Meridith, Beatty) who would be a big reach at 13. If we can't trade out of the spot then Rey, if still available, is a safer pick than Smith, Mack, etc. The absolute worst case scenario IMHO is taking Smith or Mack or another o-lineman w/ our first pick and the dude is unable start ahead of the guys we already have. For instance as unimpressive as Rabach is I doubt Buges would put a rookie ahead of him. Same w/ Jansen vs. Smith. Rey would start and be a force from day one.

... and like I said we'll be able to get OT talent from FA as things shake out here. I'm not saying I'm perfectly happy w/ the outcome as I see it, but we cannot afford to waste our pick in terms of a player who doesn't make an immediate impact at the 2 positions of need for us.

How do you figure Rey is a safer pick than Mack?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

How do you figure Rey is a safer pick than Mack?

53 i only mean safer as a guy who would start immediately at a position of need for us. like i said before it's just really hard to imagine Buges inserting a rookie before Rabach on the depth chart... buges goes on and on about Rabach for one thing.

Personally I think we'll have DE pretty well set by the time of the draft, which leaves RT and OLB as the biggest problems. There's not much for starting, impact-player talent at OLB in the FA, while I think there will be at OT in the long run. I think the FO almost has to take a LB w/ our first pick, just guessing here, and after Curry Rey is the most talented.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

53 i only mean safer as a guy who would start immediately at a position of need for us. like i said before it's just really hard to imagine Buges inserting a rookie before Rabach on the depth chart... buges goes on and on about Rabach for one thing.

Personally I think we'll have DE pretty well set by the time of the draft, which leaves RT and OLB as the biggest problems. There's not much for starting, impact-player talent at OLB in the FA, while I think there will be at OT in the long run. I think the FO almost has to take a LB w/ our first pick, just guessing here, and after Curry Rey is the most talented.

Don't think that it would be Bugel's decision, I think if Mack was a pick for us in the first round, Rabach would be released the next day.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Don't think that it would be Bugel's decision, I think if Mack was a pick for us in the first round, Rabach would be released the next day.

If that is the case then great, sign Mack, but not @ 13. Personally I'd be surprised if the FO would put all their eggs in the rookie basket when it comes to center... but what do I know.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

If that is the case then great, sign Mack, but not @ 13. Personally I'd be surprised if the FO would put all their eggs in the rookie basket when it comes to center... but what do I know.

Well, it's less risky then putting all their eggs in Rabach's basket, but they'll probably split the difference and pick up a center in the third round while Rabach starts the season.