Glaring Need / Roster

Trample the Elderly · 03-26-2009, 10:33 PM

I just went over the roster tonight and there was one glaring need that stuck out, OLB.

Now I know that there isn't much to talk about, except the random Colt VS Soup threads, but I think we could chew the fat about the roster. This will only get better after the draft and with camp.

RT is up in the air. If we don't go after a RT then we absolutely have to address the OLB. With Marcus gone there is no one of any caliber there to take his spot. We can argue about DE, but we do have Wynn, Buzbee, Carter, and Wilson there. Daniels might return but he and Wynn will only be there for a little while. We can argue about Daniels and Buzbee but let's not forget if it wasn't for them going down, well . . . . you know.

For OLB we only have three guys: Fincher, McIntosh, and Campbell. You can throw in Blades but that leaves open a spot at ILB, and Fletcher isn't a spring chicken.

I'm under the opinion that we'll wind up getting either a RT or an OLB with our first pick. All of the RTs look good to me and so do the OLBs at that spot. I think they'll get a RT with the first and an OLB with the third rounder. I also think that we might be able to bring back Marcus for depth.

It seems to me they should address the O-line before the D because Coach Blache is a better at getting what he wants from the D. The O-line needs more young Ts. I'm not against getting a OLB with the 13th though.

Oh yeah, it looks to me like we're getting younger, just not as fast as everyone would like.

Hopefully this is worthy of a new thread.

What sayeth the Mob?

GTripp0012 · 03-26-2009, 10:44 PM

OLB would not be a good use of our FIRST pick, because the class is so gosh darn deep, but I would start looking at trading up into the bottom half of round two if we really like a Cody Brown or a Lawrence Sidbury. Guy has to get after the quarterback to work in this scheme at OLB, since when our coordinator gets uncomfortable, it means very predictable 6 man blitz.

SFREDSKIN · 03-26-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

OLB would not be a good use of our FIRST pick, because the class is so gosh darn deep, but I would start looking at trading up into the bottom half of round two if we really like a Cody Brown or a Lawrence Sidbury. Guy has to get after the quarterback to work in this scheme at OLB, since when our coordinator gets uncomfortable, it means very predictable 6 man blitz.

It would, but I think OL is more important if we are going to compete in the division against some serious DL's especially the Giants.

vallin21 · 03-26-2009, 11:02 PM

Our Glaring need is LDE. At 13 there is at least 1 guy that will fall to us (Maybin, Jackson, Orakpo) in which we will get value and need

FRPLG · 03-26-2009, 11:12 PM

This is driving me nuts. DE is not but our 4th or 5th need. We can rotate 3 guys there to hold it down. RT, C and OLB have no such luxury. Our options at RT are among the lowest in the league and there is no depth. Our C is average at best. OLB is somewhat hideable using scheme but is shallow and undertalented. I am tired of the DE arguments.

GTripp0012 · 03-26-2009, 11:16 PM

That and Maybin is a Jason Taylor wannabe, so making the same mistake we just made with Taylor has all the wisdom of Blache written all over it. Luckily, we have Wynn and Daniels to buffer against that, because, we really need to get those guys on the field somehow.

The Goat · 03-26-2009, 11:17 PM

13 may be too high to take an LB unless we feel a very special player is available. Obviously Curry will be long gone by then; however, I feel Rey fits that bill. He is the only other LB worthy of the 13th overall pick IMO. Rey could well be on the board at 13, but it's likely either Oher or A. Smith will also be there... I mean seriously a WON'T complain about getting any one of those guys.

... I do think there's room for debate about the draft depth of LB talent vs. OT talent. Personally I believe there's way, way more OT talent in the draft. Beyond Curry, Rey, Cushing (who i don't want) I don't see any more impact starters, though Matthews, English and Laurinaitis may be close. Meanwhile I see 4 immediate impact OTs in the draft and probably 2 or 3 more guys who probably will be able to start on opening day. The implications of all this should be more OT talent available in the market post draft, as teams jettison overpaid vets for young talent. I'm not advocating Rey over Oher or Smith necessarily just telling it the way I see it.

One more thing... why do some people think a college DE will have luck as an OLB, in our system especially, when we require our guys to cover well and basically be very dynamic? I've heard a shit-ton of comments like "Rey can't cover" or "Rey is only suited to play the middle." First of all the scouting reports say Rey covers very well, and our FO has said it thinks he could play OLB. But tell me how a DE, who's probably had zero experience covering much of anything, will somehow be more capable than this stud who's been doing it for the last four years?

mrreddman · 03-26-2009, 11:48 PM

Damn GOAT, I couldn't have said it better myself. I totally agree with you, except I still don't like the Wynn signing too much. The only DE I would like to see us draft is Jaron Gilbert, but not at 13. Oher, Smith or Rey at 13 and im happy.

GTripp0012 · 03-27-2009, 12:17 AM

I was working on this when this thread began. Pretty sure I said, awesome.

Available Free Agents and Ten Over-Specified Redskins Needs - Hog Heaven

SmootSmack · 03-27-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I was working on this when this thread began. Pretty sure I said, awesome.

Available Free Agents and Ten Over-Specified Redskins Needs - Hog Heaven

There's no I in team...and no A in competent

Anyhow, this thread seems a lot like this one http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...pre-draft.html

Though I can easily see how people would miss it, that thread title tells you nothing really

The Goat · 03-27-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I was working on this when this thread began. Pretty sure I said, awesome.

Available Free Agents and Ten Over-Specified Redskins Needs - Hog Heaven

Good stuff... but probably outdated within a week or so of the draft as new talent hits the market. I think our FO is very smart to sit tight right now.

GTripp0012 · 03-27-2009, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There's no I in team...and no A in competent

Ah, but there IS one in equiv'a'lent. I was just borrowing.

Ruhskins · 03-27-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

It would, but I think OL is more important if we are going to compete in the division against some serious DL's especially the Giants.

While I agree that OL is important, also the current players need to step it up. Besides, if our offense improves, we should be able to compete with the Giants.

53Fan · 03-27-2009, 10:57 AM

I think (HOPE) both the OLB and OL positions will be addressed by the time camp begins. Marcus has been offered a contract, but just like Daniels is waiting to see what his options are. Mack, Oher, Maualuga would all be great addiions for us. We'll just have to see who's available come draft day. I would like to pick up a second rounder but I still believe there is talent to be had in the 3rd at the O-Line and OLB positions. Especially RT.

skinsnut · 03-27-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

more OT talent available in the market post draft, as teams jettison overpaid vets for young talent.

hmm...this is an interesting point.
However, the argument will be....they will cut "older" OTs and that is what we are trying to get away from.

But I certainly see this as a good argument

03-26-2009, 10:33 PM	#1
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Glaring Need / Roster I just went over the roster tonight and there was one glaring need that stuck out, OLB. Now I know that there isn't much to talk about, except the random Colt VS Soup threads, but I think we could chew the fat about the roster. This will only get better after the draft and with camp. RT is up in the air. If we don't go after a RT then we absolutely have to address the OLB. With Marcus gone there is no one of any caliber there to take his spot. We can argue about DE, but we do have Wynn, Buzbee, Carter, and Wilson there. Daniels might return but he and Wynn will only be there for a little while. We can argue about Daniels and Buzbee but let's not forget if it wasn't for them going down, well . . . . you know. For OLB we only have three guys: Fincher, McIntosh, and Campbell. You can throw in Blades but that leaves open a spot at ILB, and Fletcher isn't a spring chicken. I'm under the opinion that we'll wind up getting either a RT or an OLB with our first pick. All of the RTs look good to me and so do the OLBs at that spot. I think they'll get a RT with the first and an OLB with the third rounder. I also think that we might be able to bring back Marcus for depth. It seems to me they should address the O-line before the D because Coach Blache is a better at getting what he wants from the D. The O-line needs more young Ts. I'm not against getting a OLB with the 13th though. Oh yeah, it looks to me like we're getting younger, just not as fast as everyone would like. Hopefully this is worthy of a new thread. What sayeth the Mob?

03-26-2009, 10:44 PM	#2
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Glaring Need / Roster OLB would not be a good use of our FIRST pick, because the class is so gosh darn deep, but I would start looking at trading up into the bottom half of round two if we really like a Cody Brown or a Lawrence Sidbury. Guy has to get after the quarterback to work in this scheme at OLB, since when our coordinator gets uncomfortable, it means very predictable 6 man blitz. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-26-2009, 11:02 PM	#4
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,180	Re: Glaring Need / Roster Our Glaring need is LDE. At 13 there is at least 1 guy that will fall to us (Maybin, Jackson, Orakpo) in which we will get value and need

03-26-2009, 11:12 PM	#5
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Glaring Need / Roster This is driving me nuts. DE is not but our 4th or 5th need. We can rotate 3 guys there to hold it down. RT, C and OLB have no such luxury. Our options at RT are among the lowest in the league and there is no depth. Our C is average at best. OLB is somewhat hideable using scheme but is shallow and undertalented. I am tired of the DE arguments.

03-26-2009, 11:16 PM	#6
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Glaring Need / Roster That and Maybin is a Jason Taylor wannabe, so making the same mistake we just made with Taylor has all the wisdom of Blache written all over it. Luckily, we have Wynn and Daniels to buffer against that, because, we really need to get those guys on the field somehow. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-26-2009, 11:17 PM	#7
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Glaring Need / Roster 13 may be too high to take an LB unless we feel a very special player is available. Obviously Curry will be long gone by then; however, I feel Rey fits that bill. He is the only other LB worthy of the 13th overall pick IMO. Rey could well be on the board at 13, but it's likely either Oher or A. Smith will also be there... I mean seriously a WON'T complain about getting any one of those guys. ... I do think there's room for debate about the draft depth of LB talent vs. OT talent. Personally I believe there's way, way more OT talent in the draft. Beyond Curry, Rey, Cushing (who i don't want) I don't see any more impact starters, though Matthews, English and Laurinaitis may be close. Meanwhile I see 4 immediate impact OTs in the draft and probably 2 or 3 more guys who probably will be able to start on opening day. The implications of all this should be more OT talent available in the market post draft, as teams jettison overpaid vets for young talent. I'm not advocating Rey over Oher or Smith necessarily just telling it the way I see it. One more thing... why do some people think a college DE will have luck as an OLB, in our system especially, when we require our guys to cover well and basically be very dynamic? I've heard a shit-ton of comments like "Rey can't cover" or "Rey is only suited to play the middle." First of all the scouting reports say Rey covers very well, and our FO has said it thinks he could play OLB. But tell me how a DE, who's probably had zero experience covering much of anything, will somehow be more capable than this stud who's been doing it for the last four years? __________________ 24-34

03-26-2009, 11:48 PM	#8
mrreddman Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: alexandria va Posts: 143	Re: Glaring Need / Roster Damn GOAT, I couldn't have said it better myself. I totally agree with you, except I still don't like the Wynn signing too much. The only DE I would like to see us draft is Jaron Gilbert, but not at 13. Oher, Smith or Rey at 13 and im happy.

03-27-2009, 12:17 AM	#9
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Glaring Need / Roster I was working on this when this thread began. Pretty sure I said, awesome. Available Free Agents and Ten Over-Specified Redskins Needs - Hog Heaven __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-27-2009, 10:57 AM	#14
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Glaring Need / Roster I think (HOPE) both the OLB and OL positions will be addressed by the time camp begins. Marcus has been offered a contract, but just like Daniels is waiting to see what his options are. Mack, Oher, Maualuga would all be great addiions for us. We'll just have to see who's available come draft day. I would like to pick up a second rounder but I still believe there is talent to be had in the 3rd at the O-Line and OLB positions. Especially RT. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

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