Would you take Charley Casserly back as GM?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Angry

Personally, I would like to have him back. I do not think that he would work for Danny and I do not think that Danny would take him back. He has had his share of blunders though the 1999 draft for instance.

I assume you mean prior to. That '99 draft was money. I mean at the top, Bailey and Jansen and net a 1st (2nd overall) the next year.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I assume you mean prior to. That '99 draft was money. I mean at the top, Bailey and Jansen and net a 1st (2nd overall) the next year.

I meant the offseason moves leading up to the 99 Draft and the Draft itself. I cannot complain about Champ and Jon. But he traded away a first and a 3rd for Brad Johnson along with picks for other FA's. Then aquired all of the Saints draft picks in the "Ricky Williams trade" and came up with only two players. It still pains me to this day to think about it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Angry

I meant the offseason moves leading up to the 99 Draft and the Draft itself. I cannot complain about Champ and Jon. But he traded away a first and a 3rd for Brad Johnson along with picks for other FA's. Then aquired all of the Saints draft picks in the "Ricky Williams trade" and came up with only two players. It still pains me to this day to think about it.

If you remember correctly we had no QB that year. Trent Green left for STL cause the ownership situation was a mess. If you ask me that was a damn good move as Brad had a pro bowl year and then went on to win a SB w/ TB. Back then BJ was not a top tier QB but he was more than serviceable.

I'd take Charley back over Vinny in a heartbeat but it will never happen. I heard Vinny on the radio this am and he simply DOES NOT have the knowledge or smarts that Casserly does. Casserly is on NFL Network and CBS and he just REALLY REALLY knows his stuff and you can tell why this guy rose from being George Allen's unpaid gofer, to an NFL general manager and TV consultant. If you listen to the two it's like night and day. Today Vinny was still backing the move for Jason Taylor saying, "he'd do the same thing all over again." What????? Sometimes I just shake my head in amazement that he's in the position he is in but it is what it is and Vinny isn't going anywhere.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If you remember correctly we had no QB that year. Trent Green left for STL cause the ownership situation was a mess. If you ask me that was a damn good move as Brad had a pro bowl year and then went on to win a SB w/ TB. Back then BJ was not a top tier QB but he was more than serviceable.

I'd take Charley back over Vinny in a heartbeat but it will never happen. I heard Vinny on the radio this am and he simply DOES NOT have the knowledge or smarts that Casserly does. Casserly is on NFL Network and CBS and he just REALLY REALLY knows his stuff and you can tell why this guy rose from being George Allen's unpaid gofer, to an NFL general manager and TV consultant. If you listen to the two it's like night and day. Today Vinny was still backing the move for Jason Taylor saying, "he'd do the same thing all over again." What????? Sometimes I just shake my head in amazement that he's in the position he is in but it is what it is and Vinny isn't going anywhere.

Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Angry

Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.

Skinsfan69 is right though, he left mainly because there was no ownership in place to offer him a deal

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Skinsfan69 is right though, he left mainly because there was no ownership in place to offer him a deal

AHH! So that's the missing link. That makes sense.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Angry

Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.

Yeah. Green started the last part of the '98 season and his play was not Tier 2 (whatever that is). That's why St. Louis signed him to what seemed like at the time a big contract. I went to an early game in 98 that the Skins lost to then-juggernaut Denver and I immediately could tell that Green could see the field better than anyone we had started in years. He got the ball out in time to the right people. I remember being angry at Norv for leaving him on the bench for three years. If he had played in 96 and 97, I believe we would have made the playoffs.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Yeah. Green started the last part of the '98 season and his play was not Tier 2 (whatever that is). That's why St. Louis signed him to what seemed like at the time a big contract. I went to an early game in 98 that the Skins lost to then-juggernaut Denver and I immediately could tell that Green could see the field better than anyone we had started in years. He got the ball out in time to the right people. I remember being angry at Norv for leaving him on the bench for three years. If he had played in 96 and 97, I believe we would have made the playoffs.

Hall of famer is Tier 1. Pro Bowler is tier 2. You might want to restate your comment.

[70Chip]

Richard Justice seems to have mixed feelings about Casserly. Justice is my all-time favorite Skins beat writer. He wrote stories that had in them how do you say it...information. Scoops I guess they would be. I'm not sure I buy that Casserly leaked stories to "get back at" Justice. There's no law that says we must all genuflect before the greatness and superiority of the Washington Post - no matter what the people who work there believe.

SportsJustice: Remembering Charley Casserly's role in this mess

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by Angry

Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.

I'm pretty sure if we had an owner at the time, Trent would have been signed no problem. That had to be the worst time ever to be going through ownership changes when your best FA's are deciding their future.