We have the power?

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd be disappointed with a front office that just did what the fans wanted. Fans are emotional, irrational, often stupid. It's the job of the front office to do what's best for the team even if it's unpopular or not what the fans want. The best front offices don't spend their time preoccupied with what the fans want. Case in point, the Eagles and Brian Dawkins.

I agree, but at the same time I think Bill Simmons is on to something with his idea that every team needs a VP of Common Sense. If the Skins were to trade up to take a QB, or to trade our 1st and 3rd for Boldin, or whatever other crazy scheme we've all convinced ourselves the FO is planning, we need a voice of reason that can kick Snyerrato in the junk, figuratively, and make them realize the hole that they seem to be digging by ignoring the lines.
Yes the fans can be very irrational and stupid, but is that any different from how Snyder runs the team?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

I agree, but at the same time I think Bill Simmons is on to something with his idea that every team needs a VP of Common Sense. If the Skins were to trade up to take a QB, or to trade our 1st and 3rd for Boldin, or whatever other crazy scheme we've all convinced ourselves the FO is planning, we need a voice of reason that can kick Snyerrato in the junk, figuratively, and make them realize the hole that they seem to be digging by ignoring the lines.
Yes the fans can be very irrational and stupid, but is that any different from how Snyder runs the team?

Well, you know one of my biggest criticisms of Snyder is that he needs to stop thinking like a fan. He can't think of himself as a fan anymore.

I think the fans' influence on Fassel has been blown out of proportion

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, you know one of my biggest criticisms of Snyder is that he needs to stop thinking like a fan. He can't think of himself as a fan anymore.

I think the fans' influence on Fassel has been blown out of proportion

You really do not believe the fans influenced the Fassel decision? In 30 years of following the redskins I can never remember the redskins fans so collectively opposed to any one decision. They had to know that and be taken aback by it. That wasn't the normal some like some hate it decision....that was like 99% angry disapproval from their paying customers.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

You really do not believe the fans influenced the Fassel decision? In 30 years of following the redskins I can never remember the redskins fans so collectively opposed to any one decision. They had to know that and be taken aback by it. That wasn't the normal some like some hate it decision....that was like 99% angry disapproval from their paying customers.

No I think Fassel and Cerrato's general dislike of each other played a much bigger role. They just couldn't agree on a model to work together.

Personally, I wasn't one of those against Fassel. I thought he would have been the right coach with Zorn as the OC.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No I think Fassel and Cerrato's general dislike of each other played a much bigger role. They just couldn't agree on a model to work together.

Personally, I wasn't one of those against Fassel. I thought he would have been the right coach with Zorn as the OC.

Okay Smoot...I will take your word for it. I didn't know about the Fassel Vinny dislike angle. Then if that's true I guess Fassel was never as close to getting the job as the media lead us to believe.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

Okay Smoot...I will take your word for it. I didn't know about the Fassel Vinny dislike angle. Then if that's true I guess Fassel was never as close to getting the job as the media lead us to believe.

No, he had a good shot because he and Snyder like each other and Fassel was/is really eager to be an NFL head coach again that he thought he could deal with it. But at the end of the day, Snyder had already decided Cerrato was his top executive and Fassel didn't want to answer to anyone but the owner. But that's not how Snyder had structured it.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No I think Fassel and Cerrato's general dislike of each other played a much bigger role. They just couldn't agree on a model to work together.

Personally, I wasn't one of those against Fassel. I thought he would have been the right coach with Zorn as the OC.

Amen, brother.

With so many obvious issues along our offensive line, if they pass up any of the O-tackles that will be available to them at #13, I think you'll see an equally livid fan base.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Amen, brother.

With so many obvious issues along our offensive line, if they pass up any of the O-tackles that will be available to them at #13, I think you'll see an equally livid fan base.

We'll never look like this though:

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, you know one of my biggest criticisms of Snyder is that he needs to stop thinking like a fan. He can't think of himself as a fan anymore.

I agree 100,000,000%
Look at Robert Kraft: he's a former pats season ticket holder but he seems to let his football people make the football decisions. In this situation a more rational football mind would say the team has so many more important holes to fill that trading up to get a project QB who could eventually be great isn't worth it. The problem is that Snyder seems to think "well, we were 8-8 last year, so with a new stud QB we could make it to the Super Bowl." That's illogical.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, you know one of my biggest criticisms of Snyder is that he needs to stop thinking like a fan. He can't think of himself as a fan anymore.

I think the fans' influence on Fassel has been blown out of proportion

I agree from beginning to end.

To think that the fans influenced Danny regarding the Fassel decision presumes that Danny listens clearly to others. I have seen little evidence of this. Danny may seek advice from others but in the final analysis seems to listen only to himself.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, you know one of my biggest criticisms of Snyder is that he needs to stop thinking like a fan. He can't think of himself as a fan anymore.

You are so right about that. He should let the professionals run personnel. I may be in the minority, but I think that Vinny and his staff are capable of building this team into a perennial contender if allowed to do so without the handicaps of having fewer draft picks and less salary cap room because of Snyder's penchant for signing famous players.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You are so right about that. He should let the professionals run personnel. I may be in the minority, but I think that Vinny and his staff are capable of building this team into a perennial contender if allowed to do so without the handicaps of having fewer draft picks and less salary cap room because of Snyder's penchant for signing famous players.

I'm with you on this. Synder has the itch for getting high profile players (Haynesworth, Sanders, etc) and thinks this is fantasy football. We all know this Sanchez deal (if it happens) is 100% Synder and no one else. Unfortonetly Vinny always gets charged with guilt by association, but Synder is the Real GM, and Vinny's the scapegoat.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I'm with you on this. Synder has the itch for getting high profile players (Haynesworth, Sanders, etc) and thinks this is fantasy football. We all know this Sanchez deal (if it happens) is 100% Synder and no one else. Unfortonetly Vinny always gets charged with guilt by association, but Synder is the Real GM, and Vinny's the scapegoat.

Yes, I think Vinny is the scapegoat for many fans. My biggest criticism of Vinny is that I'd like to see him take a stronger position in favor of the draft. Whenever Danny sees something shiny in the display window of another NFL team, maybe Vinny could point out to Danny that Andre Smith is shiny and he has boobs, too!

[saden1]

F'ing Sanchez? The guy coach Pete Carroll said he's not ready for the NFL? It doesn't make sense at all.