Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[Trample the Elderly]

Why does a player's race or ethnic group make a difference? I thought MLK said that we shouldn't judge a person by the color of their skin but by their ability or character, or something along those lines. Who gives a damn? Put the grape ape out there and let him play. We haven't had a purple player yet.

Drafting a QB with an O-line like ours makes no sense what-so-ever! With that said, I know that DS will insist that we draft him. Welcome to the team Sanchez. Take a good look at FedEx field. If your patient, you'll have your head buried in it just like every other Washington QB. Aren't you lucky!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Skinz4life

Call me crazy but I don't think that drafting Sanchez with the 13th overall pick is that bad of an idea. Best case It would push JC to preform better and if he does we have a situation like San Diego had a couple years back with Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers. If he doesn't play better we have Sanchez who would be ready to step in and play like carson plamer did with the Bengles. The one thing I don't want is for Washington to trade a bunch of picks to trade up and get him though.

We can't get Sanchez without trading a bunch of picks.
Imo getting Sanchez would preclude the Skins from improving our greatest areas of needs.

We can't get Sanchez and improve the OL/Pass Rush/OLB.

[Skinz4life]

The only way I'd be alright with taking Sanchez is if he fell to #13, which it appears as if there is no way thats going to happen. I personally don't think we have enough picks to fill all the needs we have regardless if we trade for Sanchez or not though.

[freddyg12]

Most seem to think Detroit is going w/Stafford, but what if they opt for J. Smith instead? Both Staff. & Sanchez would drop at least a little.


Or, what if they really shocked everybody & signed Sanchez? Would there be a scramble to trade up for Stafford? (Doesn't sound like the Skins are into him at all)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 30gut

We can't get Sanchez without trading a bunch of picks.
Imo getting Sanchez would preclude the Skins from improving our greatest areas of needs.

We can't get Sanchez and improve the OL/Pass Rush/OLB.

As Rich points out, if that happened, we wouldnt be in that much different of a position than every other NFL team.

Scout.com: Just a Guy

...And many, if not most, NFL teams will be in the same boat. You can't fill every starting position with a high draft pick or with a premium free agent. Sometimes you have to go with someone who is just a guy. Should the Redskins not land an offensive tackle that guy could be Jansen or Heyer or maybe Devin Clark, a rookie free agent who spent last year on the practice squad. Wynn, Daniels, and Chris Wilson could be the guys rotating at right DE. H. B. Blades was a guy who filled in at linebacker last year and didn't embarrass himself. Or another guy who could end up starting at the Sam linebacker is the recently-signed Robert Thomas, who has started 50 NFL games in six years in the league...

...But if it's not ideal that doesn't mean that it's a disaster. Nevertheless, Redskins Nation is likely to be fretting and wringing its collective hands on Monday morning, lamenting unfilled needs. Chances are, though, that a few guys will end up working out just fine.

Even if we select one of OL/DE/OLB in the first round, that still leaves us with two holes. Its not like our 3rd round pick could be counted on to be an immediate starter and upgrade over the guys we have. So if your very own personal "worst case scenario" involves the skins trading picks for Sanchez, its not the end of the world. We're already a MUCH better team now than we were when the season ended. As far as i'm concerned, everything we do between now and the regular season is just icing on the cake - to make us even better. Whatever we do with our 1st round pick - OL, DL, LB, QB, RB... whatever - it will certainly be for a player who's better than the guy he's replacing on our roster.

One more random thing - i wouldnt be surprised if, a week from now, Brady Quinn is our defacto starting QB...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Reading between the lines, i think its probable that Snyder wont package our 2010 first rounder in any trade because he knows Cowher, Shanahan, Holmgreen, or Gruden will want that pick... ugh.

Are you saying ugh to another change in general or to those specific options? I think the only legitimate option there would be Gruden. Cowher is very close to Marty-strike one. Shanahan is very close to Jerry Jones-strike two. If we're talking to Holmgren that means we just fired one of his proteges-strike three.

I'd think any move at the QB position would mean that Zorn gets at least 3 more years to develop and try to win with him. You don't draft a rookie QB and then up and fire a QB 'guru' after one season. That's just moronic, even for Snyder standards.

The more I think of it, maybe the Sanchez move is Snyder admitting we're not one player away from a championship and he wants to build from the QB position outward. In a best case scenario, if he drafts Sanchez, combined with the receivers we drafted last year, in a couple of years we could have a dynamic offense with a group of young players (Sanchez, Thomas, Kelly, Cooley, Davis) that can play together for 5-8 years at a high level a la the Colts (Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Clark). I'm not endorsing the move, just trying to think like Snyder. The other thought could be that with Haynesworth and Hall he feels we have enough of a defense to win with a rookie QB not making mistakes just like the Ravens did last year. I think he's fooling himself if he feels our D is on par with theirs but he may think that's the case.

I really hope we don't have the ammo to go get him. If we trade up for anyone I hope it's Orapko.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And when did we come out and say we're willing to part with next years picks for Sanchez?

When did we not say we were willing to part with next years picks? hmmmmmmmm

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

When did we not say we were willing to part with next years picks? hmmmmmmmm

Well there's this

Mark Sanchez, Daniel Snyder, Scott Pioli pivotal in NFL draft - Peter King - SI.com

I spoke to someone close to Snyder over the weekend, and this person said Snyder is not going to allow next year's first-rounder to be put in a trade. Maybe. Maybe not. This person also said he thought it was highly unlikely the Redskins could muster up the ammo to go get Sanchez. If Snyder wants to get up to No. 3 to assure himself the shot at Sanchez, he's going to have to bend and give up the to pick in 2010.

But the point is if we actually got every player we were rumored to be smitten with we'd have Briggs, Calvin Johnson, Ocho Cinco, Jay Cutler, Jamarcus Russell

[SmootSmack]

We should just sign Philip Rivers next off-season and that should resolve everything

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well there's this

Mark Sanchez, Daniel Snyder, Scott Pioli pivotal in NFL draft - Peter King - SI.com



But the point is if we actually got every player we were rumored to be smitten with we'd have Briggs, Calvin Johnson, Ocho Cinco, Jay Cutler, Jamarcus Russell

I tip my hat to you sir. Not only have you won the argument but you've also eased my nerves.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I tip my hat to you sir. Not only have you won the argument but you've also eased my nerves.

Of course, now we're going to trade up for Sanchez

Seriously though, all we can do is wait.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Pain, those were exactly my thoughts.

I dont want a coaching change-period. I'm not going to reiterate my questions about Campbell in this system, but if the team drafted a rookie QB, it would "garauntee" Zorn got atleast 2-3 more years. Zorn is the ideal coach to groom a rookie QB and I think, aside from Campbell making a giant leap in his play this year, Zorns only shot of sticking beyond 2009 is to draft and groom his own QB. I fear if we stick with Campbell, both he and Zorn will be fired and we'll start from scratch next year. And by scratch, i mean scratch. I doubt Bugel sticks around for another regime change. The offensive coaches would all be gone if Holmgren, Gruden, or Shanahan were hired, plus those guys would all insist on their own QB. If Cowher were hired, you can kiss our entire defensive staff goodbye when we would move to a 3-4.

i like Zorn alot. He experienced alot of growing pains last year and was responsible for some piss-poor playcalling, but i have confidence that he'll get better each year. I think our teams best chance at having long term success is to stick with Zorn, let him pick his own QB, and then let him groom his own QB - as you said, build this team from the QB position outward (whether thats with sanchez or Quinn)

Our defense will be fine and our o-line, despite its age, will benefit from having Dockery and a healthy Randy Thomas back. I'm a beleiver in Stephon Heyer being solid as well. I'm 90% certain Marcus Washington is coming back, so he, Blades and Thomas can hold down SLB spot. With the DE position, weve got two solid old guys in rotation with the possibility that Buzbee and Jackson improving and getting some action. In short, if we don't draft Ol, DE, or OLB with our 1st round pick, we'll be ok - no matter whos' under center.

[SC Skins Fan]

The bottom line on this move is that it does not address the key deficiencies of this team (age and depth). There is absolutely no reason to run out and address the quarterback position. At least if you were going to shoot your wad for Jay Cutler you knew you were getting a supremely talented player who has proven he can play on a high level at the NFL. I would have been extremely upset by the move, but at least you had some idea of the player you were getting on the field.

With Sanchez you are getting a kid that you will have to pay $35 million guaranteed and you really don't know what you are going to get from him. You are scrapping what you had with Campbell and giving up opportunity costs by not drafting a potential starter at OL or LB or DL. It assumes that quarterback was the major reason for the Redskins second half collapse. If they are so dead-set on getting rid of Campbell, just wait until next year, let him walk, and make a move for a QB in a much more QB rich draft. That is the thing that baffles me. Sanchez isn't John Elway (or even Jay Cutler) why are you going to throw tons of draft picks and money away to get the guy? If he falls to you maybe you say you couldn't pass him up, but jumping ten spots to get him makes no sense at all.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

My guess is he likes his confidence and the fact he's a more vocal leader on the field than JC.

A lot of teams are loving him right now, not just the Skins.

But if Snyder fancies himself a great talent evaluator, why does he not think he can find a QB who is just as good next year? Should be a really strong year for QBs next season.

[GTripp0012]

Anyway, you guys can count me in the "doubts this will actually get done" category since Snyder isn't just going crazy trying to sell the farm for Sanchez, and you could argue that we don't have a single position of immense need (except Center), but it's a significant handicap to build your team when "next year" is never a consideration to the guy making the calls.