Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, what Tandler is saying is it's just a player if we take Sanchez...which is true, until we trade up. Then it's multiple players.

I'm also wondering what role Quinn has in all this. Perhaps if Sanchez is there at 5, the Redskins and Browns will trade, but not for the 5th pick, but with Quinn/Campbell/the 13th.

I'd much rather have Campbell in this offense than Quinn, and they do share similar weaknesses, but buying low is a far smarter approach than buying high.

Ultimately, I think the 13th overall pick is going to be a defensive player as a Redskin, and that will be that.

To be honest, i don't like Quinn at all - atleast not for this team. I just see him as a younger Jason Campbell in terms of skills, but without JCs class. To me, hed be nothing more than a shiny new toy for Snyder, without atleast having the potential and "it" factor that Sanchez would bring.

As to your last point, id love to land Maybin. I think if we stayed at 13, the smartest move would be to take the best DE available, and that could be him. IMO the best way to receive dividends from the enormous investment we made in Haynesworth is to put a pass-rushing beast alongside him. I'd be fine with one of the big 4 OTs at 13, but I would be extremely disappointed if we took a LB there. If we bring Washington back and use a lateround pick on an OLB, our LB corps will be fine for 2009.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As soon as I read that the skins were in the midst of a 3-way trade with Denver and the Browns, i wondered if Brady Quinn was our true objective and the deal would have sent Cutler to Cleavland, Quinn to DC (Cerrato is a ND boy and loves him some Quinn), and Campbell to Denver... but all the reports indicated we wanted Cutler, so i dismissed the notion.

Then, in his column today, Peter King indicated that the Browns are just as in love with Sanchez as Snyder. I also read a report today (can't remember where) that said the Skins have a tentative deal in place with Browns for a trade if Sanchez falls to Cleveland's spot. Given that Cleavland (evidently) prefers Sanchez and Anderson to Quinn (why are they even looking at Sanchez when they have those two?), it made sense to me that we would be trading for QUINN, after Cleavland selected Sanchez. So, I think its entirely possible that a scenario similar to this could happen:

Brady Quinn and Braylon Edwards to Washington for our #13 and Fred Davis (and probably another player)

This would also explain why:
1. The Browns are looking at QBs when they just drafted one in the 1st round. (New coach wants to pick his own guy)
2. There were rumors of Cooley being traded to Cleveland (right position, wrong player)
3. The Browns have yet to trade Edwards. (Our deals better)

In the end, the Browns would get rid of two players they dont really want while picking up a 1st rounder and a starter, and we'd get the "franchise" QB and "stud" WR coveted by Snyder for so long, while only giving up our 2009 1st rounder and a starting caliber TE who is stuck behind a pro-bowler. We'd probably have to give up something else (possibly Santana Moss, ARE, or D. Thomas), but in the end, both sides would get what they covet, without having to give up anything they really wanted.

Again, that's all pure speculation, but its just a possibility that occurred to me after reading Kings article today.

It's an interesting premise. It would accomplish a couple of Snyder's long term 'goals'. I think it may be too many moving parts for it to come to fruition but it's interesting nonetheless.

Does anyone miss the relative calm of last offseason when we were just talking about a protracted coaching search, a new unproven head coach, the retirement of an organizational icon and an unprecedented number of draft picks? Ah the good old days!

[SmootSmack]

BHA, guess I misremembered. I thought you had said you didn't like the hiring of Zorn earlier this year

[GTripp0012]

I have no idea how Sanchez has "it" while Quinn and Campbell don't. Seems like an easy way to draw a line between the two with no other good reason to do so.

I agree that Quinn and Campbell are very similar in most respects. One of those respects is that they seem to be stronger players than Sanchez, based at least on the law of averages.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no idea how Sanchez has "it" while Quinn and Campbell don't. Seems like an easy way to draw a line between the two with no other good reason to do so.

I agree that Quinn and Campbell are very similar in most respects. One of those respects is that they seem to be stronger players than Sanchez, based at least on the law of averages.

I don't know why Collins doesn't have "it"? He's done something that none of these guys have; he's taken us to the play-offs. Of course that doesn't mean anything if you've a lot of money and spend it like a kid in the candy store.

What do I know? I'm just a fan.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Then, in his column today, Peter King indicated that the Browns are just as in love with Sanchez as Snyder. I also read a report today (can't remember where) that said the Skins have a tentative deal in place with Browns for a trade if Sanchez falls to Cleavlands spot. Given that Cleavland (evidently) prefers Sanchez and Anderson to Quinn (why are they even looking at Sanchez when they have those two?), it made sense to me that we would be trading for QUINN, after Cleavland selected Sanchez. So, I think its entirely possible that a senario similar to this could happen:

Brady Quinn and Braylon Edwards to Washington for our #13 and Fred Davis (and probably another player)

This would also explain why:
1. The Browns are looking at QBs when they just drafted one in the 1st round. (New coach wants to pick his own guy)
2. There were rumors of Cooley being traded to Cleveland (right position, wrong player)
3. The Browns have yet to trade Edwards. (Our deals better)

In the end, the Browns would get rid of two players they dont really want while picking up a 1st rounder and a starter, and we'd get the "franchise" QB and "stud" WR covetted by Snyder for so long, while only giving up our 2009 1st rounder and a starting caliber TE who is stuck behind a pro-bowler. We'd probably have to give up something else (possibly Santana Moss, ARE, or D. Thomas), but in the end, both sides would get what they covet, without having to give up anything they really wanted.

Again, thats all pure speculation, but its just a possibility that occurred to me after reading Kings article today.

I wouldn't mind this scenario, however we'll be giving up more than our # 1 and Davis to make it happen. Currently the market for Edwards is a #1 & #3-#4 pick. Quinn was #21 (or therabout). So in your scenario, we'd wind up with a either Edwards or Quinn, not both.

I'm a big ND fan, but am definitely not a fan of giving up our # 1 this year for Quinn or using it on Sanchez. These are unproven commodities when we have at worst a decent QB. IMO, JC is on the cusp of being very good.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no idea how Sanchez has "it" while Quinn and Campbell don't. Seems like an easy way to draw a line between the two with no other good reason to do so.

I agree that Quinn and Campbell are very similar in most respects. One of those respects is that they seem to be stronger players than Sanchez, based at least on the law of averages.

GT just curious whether u think JC will get a chance to start elsewhere after Snyder finds a way to dump him?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Just a couple of tidbits I heard on ESPN today:

First for all those enamored with Sanchez: On Cowherd's show (while a Skins bashing a-hole, he does from time-to-time make a good point or two). Paraphrased "Of QBs taken with picks in the top 12 overall in the last 8 years (I believe), there were a total of 18, 11 are generally considered busts, 2 the jury's still out, and 5 are hits." So on the high end 38% and on the low end 27.7% are the chances that Sanchez will be the "QB of the future" for the Skins. Are you JC basher/Sanchez/Quinn lovers willing to risk at a minimum two 1 round picks and a 4th, on what is a sub-38% chance of success.

Second, Mike Torico (sp?) mentioned that he doesn't even talk with NFL people at this time of year because all you get is misinformation and I believe he used the phrase "a bunch of smoke".

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinfan007

you have lost your mind does any body realize that for the last 5 years we have needed a dominating pass rush to contend for the playoffs. We need to either draft a top notch pass rusher or strong side linebacker in first round or an immediate playmaker like a percy harvin. 2nd round we need a complimentary running back for clinton portis if you notice our division is full of two headed monsters in the backfield. We also should have grabbed a torry holt or a ol like peters in free agency . I think we also should bench campbell in favor of brennan

WOW???? You must be either a Gator fan or live down here in the Hampton Roads area to be on Percy Harvin. What's Harvin going to do when he's in the NFL and the DBs are just as fast as he is? Don't get me wrong he should be a solid NFL utility player at WR/KR, but he's a little bigger Ted Ginn Jr. with less polish as a WR. Going to be hard to get a RB in the 2nd round if we take Harvin with the 1st since we don't have a 2nd rounder this year.

Brennan :frusty: We've already

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I hear what your saying, and those would be the positives to look at in a "worst case scenario" situation but the thought of starting over from scratch next year makes me sick. I mean, whens the last time this team has benefited from starting over from scratch?

BHA, I don't think anyone likes starting from scratch, but there are teams that have benefited from this (Atlanta, Miami, heck even Baltimore had a down year or two, and were able to pick up good players through the draft and get back to being contenders). Honestly, I don't know when was the last time that our team started from scratch. But this half-rebuilding/half-reloading doesn't convince me (rebuilding= getting a new young QB in Sanchez or Quinn; reloading = signing Hall, Haynesworth, and Dockery).

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Just a couple of tidbits I heard on ESPN today:

First for all those enamored with Sanchez: On Cowherd's show (while a Skins bashing a-hole, he does from time-to-time make a good point or two). Paraphrased "Of QBs taken with picks in the top 12 overall in the last 8 years (I believe), there were a total of 18, 11 are generally considered busts, 2 the jury's still out, and 5 are hits." So on the high end 38% and on the low end 27.7% are the chances that Sanchez will be the "QB of the future" for the Skins. Are you JC basher/Sanchez/Quinn lovers willing to risk at a minimum two 1 round picks and a 4th, on what is a sub-38% chance of success.

Second, Mike Torico (sp?) mentioned that he doesn't even talk with NFL people at this time of year because all you get is misinformation and I believe he used the phrase "a bunch of smoke".

Yes. Today I read one article which said we were moving up to draft Sanchez and the very next article I read said the Skins-Sanchez thing was all smoke. One article said the Browns would take Sanchez, the next one said that the Browns didn't want Sanchez and desperately wanted to trade down.

The point: I'm not going to believe ANYTHING this week until I see picks with my own eyes on Saturday afternoon.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes. Today I read one article which said we were moving up to draft Sanchez and the very next article I read said the Skins-Sanchez thing was all smoke. One article said the Browns would take Sanchez, the next one said that the Browns didn't want Sanchez and desperately wanted to trade down.

The point: I'm not going to believe ANYTHING this week until I see picks with my own eyes on Saturday afternoon.

I like to think I have a bit more access to the inner machinations of NFL teams than many...but come this time of year, none of us has any idea. This is definitely the most confused about the Redskins' thoughts as I've been in a long time (and they're generally very confusing). What's most interesting in all of this it that seems that the one guy (the one key guy that is) that doesn't seem to enamored with Sanchez either by trading up or taking him at 13 is Cerrato.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like to think I have a bit more access to the inner machinations of NFL teams than many...but come this time of year, none of us has any idea. This is definitely the most confused about the Redskins' thoughts as I've been in a long time (and they're generally very confusing). What's most interesting in all of this it that seems that the one guy (the one key guy that is) that doesn't seem to enamored with Sanchez either by trading up or taking him at 13 is Cerrato.

Well, like the previous Dan Snyder tantrum (trading for Cutler), I hope that this ends up not happening. I hope that VC is just putting up with DS' Sanchez tantrum, and sets it up where he comes to DS and tells him that it wasn't possible to get Sanchez (and draft Oher instead!).

Well, more and more I'm thinking that this Sanchez deal is a smoke screen to get a lower pick team to trade with us. If getting Sanchez had any remote possibility, Mike Florio would be blasting it all over PFT.com like he did with the Cutler situation.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well, like the previous Dan Snyder tantrum (trading for Cutler), I hope that this ends up not happening. I hope that VC is just putting up with DS' Sanchez tantrum, and sets it up where he comes to DS and tells him that it wasn't possible to get Sanchez (and draft Oher instead!).

Well, more and more I'm thinking that this Sanchez deal is a smoke screen to get a lower pick team to trade with us. If getting Sanchez had any remote possibility, Mike Florio would be blasting it all over PFT.com like he did with the Cutler situation.

I think Sanchez is possible, I just don't think we're likely to be able to trade up to get him (if we had our 2nd round pick still, that might have been the case).

I think ultimately is less about Sanchez and more about Campbell. If he's not the guy in 2010 and beyond, and Colt isn't the guy until 2011 at the earliest then what do we do?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like to think I have a bit more access to the inner machinations of NFL teams than many...but come this time of year, none of us has any idea. This is definitely the most confused about the Redskins' thoughts as I've been in a long time (and they're generally very confusing). What's most interesting in all of this it that seems that the one guy (the one key guy that is) that doesn't seem to enamored with Sanchez either by trading up or taking him at 13 is Cerrato.

Yay!