Reasons for drafting Sanchez

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

That sounds fun...can't say I'm gonna be able to stay away from the tv. I like to predict who we take after each pick and see how it changes.

Me too. For me the first day of the draft is the greatest day of football between February and September. I don't want to miss anything. After this weekend it is a football desert until fall.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Me too. For me the first day of the draft is the greatest day of football between February and September. I don't want to miss anything. After this weekend it is a football desert until fall.

Truer words...after the draft I always get into spring/summer mode, waiting on football to usher in the next season.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Amen. I said this in another thread, but on some level I'm really trying to convince myself that drafting Sanchez might not be such a bad idea after all.

And you make a good point about Jason's demeanor. I think we all have to ask ourselves this question: What are the actual chances that Jason is destined to be an absolute superstar headed for Super Bowl MVP awards and a spot in the Hall of Fame? Doesn't someone like that have to show us more than what we've seen? Even when things around him aren't perfect, like the best O-line in the league and Pro Bowl wideouts? The truly great quarterbacks have something that makes everyone around them better.

Could it be that maybe, just maybe, Jason Campbell isn't that quarterback, and that he may never be?

While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.

Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?

In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.

I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.

Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?

In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.

I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.

Nice post...I said some similar things about the true scarcity of elite QBs some time ago but the discussion just got minced up into semantics and whatnot.

...I still hope JC is our QB for the future and Danny is forced to eat humble pie. And just the same I'm very curious to see all the reaction when Jason has a better season than both Cutler (on his new team w/o all the talent around him and in his new division that has some serious defenses) and Sanchez, wherever he might land.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

No, I don't think that shit is funny. Saw athletes get away w/ all kinds of terrible stuff in college when the athletic director/staff got involved...

I didn't go to college so I can't say I have seen anything. but at the high school level it's sad to see kids get into trouble and get either suspended or kicked out while the let one of the kids that play on a team get into trouble and it's brushed under the carpet. So I guess I agree.

but I have also seen the bad side of these types of crimes where the girl was totally a willing participant in the activities then later had second thoughts and called the police. Or her parents found out some how, usually when they find out they are pregnant, then the girl being scared tells her parents she was not a willing participant and did not want it to happen.

In Colts situation where he supposedly broke into the females room, if true, I hope he was drunk and had no idea what he was doing. Only the police know what the real story may have been. Did she wake up to him fondling her and scream and call the police or is it more like she helped him sneak into her dorm window, later the school found out and she was afraid she would get kicked out so the elaberate story?

In Sanchez's situation it could be date rap but why go to the dorm room? To eliminate any chance you might go to far with something or something might happen that you don't want to happen simply say no I can't go to your dorm room I'll see you tomorrow. but instead they both were alone in a dorm room. Then second thoughts hit the next day and she talks to her mother about what happened and as a parent I know I would be pissed and call the police.

I don't want to sound like I'm blaming the ladies. The true a-hole that rapes a lady needs to be locked up. I just have issues with the situations where the guys thinks all is well and the girl wants to do it also then finds himself being the suspect in an investigation.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I didn't go to college so I can't say I have seen anything. but at the high school level it's sad to see kids get into trouble and get either suspended or kicked out while the let one of the kids that play on a team get into trouble and it's brushed under the carpet. So I guess I agree.

but I have also seen the bad side of these types of crimes where the girl was totally a willing participant in the activities then later had second thoughts and called the police. Or her parents found out some how, usually when they find out they are pregnant, then the girl being scared tells her parents she was not a willing participant and did not want it to happen.

In Colts situation where he supposedly broke into the females room, if true, I hope he was drunk and had no idea what he was doing. Only the police know what the real story may have been. Did she wake up to him fondling her and scream and call the police or is it more like she helped him sneak into her dorm window, later the school found out and she was afraid she would get kicked out so the elaberate story?

In Sanchez's situation it could be date rap but why go to the dorm room? To eliminate any chance you might go to far with something or something might happen that you don't want to happen simply say no I can't go to your dorm room I'll see you tomorrow. but instead they both were alone in a dorm room. Then second thoughts hit the next day and she talks to her mother about what happened and as a parent I know I would be pissed and call the police.

I don't want to sound like I'm blaming the ladies. The true a-hole that rapes a lady needs to be locked up. I just have issues with the situations where the guys thinks all is well and the girl wants to do it also then finds himself being the suspect in an investigation.

I hear you...there are injustices from both situations no doubt.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Nice post...I said some similar things about the true scarcity of elite QBs some time ago but the discussion just got minced up into semantics and whatnot.

...I still hope JC is our QB for the future and Danny is forced to eat humble pie. And just the same I'm very curious to see all the reaction when Jason has a better season than both Cutler (on his new team w/o all the talent around him and in his new division that has some serious defenses) and Sanchez, wherever he might land.

Heck yes!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.

Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?

In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.

I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.

I think the conclusion has come and gone. Prior to last yr people were complaining about his slow throwing motion, that he can't read defenses, and does not throw the ball prior to the WR making his cut. He's had what 5 yrs and started 4. Didn't Eli come out the same yr? I understand Eli has had the same offense for several yrs running but JC should be showing some improvement in his ability to read defenses. Improvement in the speed at which he releases the ball. Improvement in his abiblity to get the ball out prior to the WR making his cut so the ball will be where it needs to be when the WR gets there with out having to reach behind to get it or stop. I don't care what system he was in each one he needed to be able to go through all his reads and he's still slow at doing that. 5 yrs. How much longer do you want? 1 more yr? Maybe resign him and see what he has after 3 yrs in the same system?

The things I have mentioned we should have seen improvement from yr to yr. 5yrs later and he still has the same issues. Oh wait he did cut down on his interceptions. He's basically a decent QB not a great QB. or at the least a great backup.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think the conclusion has come and gone. Prior to last yr people were complaining about his slow throwing motion, that he can't read defenses, and does not throw the ball prior to the WR making his cut. He's had what 5 yrs and started 4. Didn't Eli come out the same yr? I understand Eli has had the same offense for several yrs running but JC should be showing some improvement in his ability to read defenses. Improvement in the speed at which he releases the ball. Improvement in his abiblity to get the ball out prior to the WR making his cut so the ball will be where it needs to be when the WR gets there with out having to reach behind to get it or stop. I don't care what system he was in each one he needed to be able to go through all his reads and he's still slow at doing that. 5 yrs. How much longer do you want? 1 more yr? Maybe resign him and see what he has after 3 yrs in the same system?

The things I have mentioned we should have seen improvement from yr to yr. 5yrs later and he still has the same issues. Oh wait he did cut down on his interceptions. He's basically a decent QB not a great QB. or at the least a great backup.

He's started 2 and a half years with one year cut short by injury.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

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I think the conclusion has come and gone. Prior to last yr people were complaining about his slow throwing motion, that he can't read defenses, and does not throw the ball prior to the WR making his cut. He's had what 5 yrs and started 4. Didn't Eli come out the same yr? I understand Eli has had the same offense for several yrs running but JC should be showing some improvement in his ability to read defenses. Improvement in the speed at which he releases the ball. Improvement in his abiblity to get the ball out prior to the WR making his cut so the ball will be where it needs to be when the WR gets there with out having to reach behind to get it or stop. I don't care what system he was in each one he needed to be able to go through all his reads and he's still slow at doing that. 5 yrs. How much longer do you want? 1 more yr? Maybe resign him and see what he has after 3 yrs in the same system?

The things I have mentioned we should have seen improvement from yr to yr. 5yrs later and he still has the same issues. Oh wait he did cut down on his interceptions. He's basically a decent QB not a great QB or a great backup.

With all respect, you've got things scrambled. Eli came out in 2004, JC came out in 2005. You talk about 5 years but 5 years ago JC was a junior at Auburn. He sat behind Brunell for some time. Last year was his first full year as a starter. JC has seriously improved when given the chance. His improvement is better than you credit and his NFL time line is shorter than you suggest.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Wasn't Matt Lienart more celebrated coming out USC and he sucks. I just don't want t have to start all over at QB and have gaping holes in other areas. This is a mess.

Ok why dont we just trade for the other USC QB in Arizona then. LOL

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Amen. I said this in another thread, but on some level I'm really trying to convince myself that drafting Sanchez might not be such a bad idea after all.

And you make a good point about Jason's demeanor. I think we all have to ask ourselves this question: What are the actual chances that Jason is destined to be an absolute superstar headed for Super Bowl MVP awards and a spot in the Hall of Fame? Doesn't someone like that have to show us more than what we've seen? Even when things around him aren't perfect, like the best O-line in the league and Pro Bowl wideouts? The truly great quarterbacks have something that makes everyone around them better.

Could it be that maybe, just maybe, Jason Campbell isn't that quarterback, and that he may never be?

Hang on now we need a super star QB to win a Super Bowl? Well Warren Moon was is a HOF QB and he never played in a Super Bowl.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Amen. I said this in another thread, but on some level I'm really trying to convince myself that drafting Sanchez might not be such a bad idea after all.

And you make a good point about Jason's demeanor. I think we all have to ask ourselves this question: What are the actual chances that Jason is destined to be an absolute superstar headed for Super Bowl MVP awards and a spot in the Hall of Fame? Doesn't someone like that have to show us more than what we've seen? Even when things around him aren't perfect, like the best O-line in the league and Pro Bowl wideouts? The truly great quarterbacks have something that makes everyone around them better.

Could it be that maybe, just maybe, Jason Campbell isn't that quarterback, and that he may never be?

We do not need JC to be that. Peyton Mannings are few and far between. We just need JC to be a solid starter that we can build a winner around. As far as I am concerned, signs are favorable that JC can fill this more realistic role.

[Superman13732]

The hope that he will be able to do what Campbell has failed at, being a leader, and Super bowl rings.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Superman13732

The hope that he will be able to do what Campbell has failed at, being a leader, and Super bowl rings.

Mark Sanchez? Please, keep dreaming.