The virtue of patience

[53Fan]

Whenever comparisons are made, they are usually made with someone who is the exception to the rule. Disappointment is inevitable in most cases. If comparisons were made with the norm, there wouldn't be so much reason for panic. You would understand that most receivers take 2-3 years to develop. That the WCO takes 2-3 years to become efficient. That QB's do better when playing in the same system instead of changing every year or two. This isn't bad, it's just normal. Impatience says we want it to happen now, not after the time it has been proven to normally take. But then again there's always the exception to the rule, and that's what we continue to make comparisons to. "Well Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco took their teams to the playoffs in their rookie years and they had a new system." Once again, an exception to the rule. Drew Brees did'nt. Peyton Manning didn't. Troy Aikman didn't. Realistic expectations based on history make for a sound outlook. Unrealistic expectations based on the exceptions of a few create anxiety and disappointment.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Whenever comparisons are made, they are usually made with someone who is the exception to the rule. Disappointment is inevitable in most cases. If comparisons were made with the norm, there wouldn't be so much reason for panic. You would understand that most receivers take 2-3 years to develop. That the WCO takes 2-3 years to become efficient. That QB's do better when playing in the same system instead of changing every year or two. This isn't bad, it's just normal. Impatience says we want it to happen now, not after the time it has been proven to normally take. But then again there's always the exception to the rule, and that's what we continue to make comparisons to. "Well Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco took their teams to the playoffs in their rookie years and they had a new system." Once again, an exception to the rule. Drew Brees did'nt. Peyton Manning didn't. Troy Aikman didn't. Realistic expectations based on history make for a sound outlook. Unrealistic expectations based on the exceptions of a few create anxiety and disappointment.

well that's all good and well. so we get to the SB this year right??

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

well that's all good and well. so we get to the SB this year right??

Oh yeah. Of course.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Whenever comparisons are made, they are usually made with someone who is the exception to the rule. Disappointment is inevitable in most cases. If comparisons were made with the norm, there wouldn't be so much reason for panic. You would understand that most receivers take 2-3 years to develop. That the WCO takes 2-3 years to become efficient. That QB's do better when playing in the same system instead of changing every year or two. This isn't bad, it's just normal. Impatience says we want it to happen now, not after the time it has been proven to normally take. But then again there's always the exception to the rule, and that's what we continue to make comparisons to. "Well Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco took their teams to the playoffs in their rookie years and they had a new system." Once again, an exception to the rule. Drew Brees did'nt. Peyton Manning didn't. Troy Aikman didn't. Realistic expectations based on history make for a sound outlook. Unrealistic expectations based on the exceptions of a few create anxiety and disappointment.

Most receivers who had rookie statistics comparable to Devin Thomas' never become adequate NFL receivers. Steve Smith and Brandon Marshall are actually exceptions in that regard. Few receivers have tremendous rookie campaigns, but 25-40 catches for 400-600 yards is something you would like to see from the 34th pick. So it is actually bending statistics in the other direction when you simply say it takes 2-3 years for a WR to "develop." Yes and no. It typically does take time before you get big production, but you also don't typically see a guy go from completely lost to suddenly becoming a stud receiver.

But that is fine. We all hope they both become contributers. I mean I haven't see a single serious person suggest that either Thomas or Kelly should get jettisoned at this point. Expressions of concern about Kelly's knee are not calls for his release. I think the descriptions of fan "impatience" are overstated, at least judging by serious people on this site (who cares about other people). The most serious impatience this offseason has been the front office's very public desire to dump Campbell before giving him a second year in Zorn's offense.

[#56fanatic]

there is a problem with patience. this organization doesn't have any. Which translates to the fan base. Everyone has a win now attitude, instead of building a solid foundation from the ground up. We have had this discussion a million times on this board, and no matter how you word it, it is always the same blame game. THE FO! the stink. They give up picks for other people's garbage. Its not coinsidence that teams that have fought for playoffs year in and year out always have 7 or more picks in the draft. and they make quality picks by quality GM's, not by the owner and his yes man. Eagles, Giants, Pats, have built through the draft. Even the Dolphins with Parcells has started to get it right. the Texans were going in the right direction before getting Casserly out. When you are a Redskin fan, you can not have patience because the front office does not allow us to build these young guys. If they dont produce in two years, they are gone.

Mostly, its bad draft picks, and bad decisions, but eventually they will get it right.....wont they?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

there is a problem with patience. this organization doesn't have any. Which translates to the fan base.

I really don't think it works this way exactly. Both the FO and the fans influence each other when it comes to patience. The Redskins are the #1 sport in the DC area, trumping two baseball teams, a pro basketball team, a pro hockey team, and two renowned college basketball program (G'town & UMD). I think when you garner this much attention in a big market, your fanbase is going to be pretty impatient.

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

We have had this discussion a million times on this board, and no matter how you word it, it is always the same blame game. THE FO! the stink. They give up picks for other people's garbage.

Jason Taylor was the last time this happened, and I don't think he was garbage (so do people that talk football for a living).

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Its not coinsidence that teams that have fought for playoffs year in and year out always have 7 or more picks in the draft. and they make quality picks by quality GM's, not by the owner and his yes man. Eagles, Giants, Pats, have built through the draft.

In New England, Darth Hoody calls the shots, no one else. Otherwise I do agree with your points here.

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

When you are a Redskin fan, you can not have patience because the front office does not allow us to build these young guys. If they dont produce in two years, they are gone.

Mostly, its bad draft picks, and bad decisions, but eventually they will get it right.....wont they?

I think the team has built through the draft, it is just that the big flashy trades tend overshadow this. All of these players have been built through the draft: Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, Jason Campbell, Derrick Dockery, Kedrick Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Reed Doughty, Laron Landry and Chris Samuels.

And between last year and this year, they continue to build through the draft with Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Chad Rinehart, Chris Horton, Kareem Moore, Brian Orakpo, and Kevin Barnes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I really don't think it works this way exactly. Both the FO and the fans influence each other when it comes to patience. The Redskins are the #1 sport in the DC area, trumping two baseball teams, a pro basketball team, a pro hockey team, and two renowned college basketball program (G'town & UMD). I think when you garner this much attention in a big market, your fanbase is going to be pretty impatient.



Jason Taylor was the last time this happened, and I don't think he was garbage (so do people that talk football for a living).



In New England, Darth Hoody calls the shots, no one else. Otherwise I do agree with your points here.



I think the team has built through the draft, it is just that the big flashy trades tend overshadow this. All of these players have been built through the draft: Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, Jason Campbell, Derrick Dockery, Kedrick Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Reed Doughty, Laron Landry and Chris Samuels.

And between last year and this year, they continue to build through the draft with Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Chad Rinehart, Chris Horton, Kareem Moore, Brian Orakpo, and Kevin Barnes.

Good post Ruh