Orakpo is Open to Change

[53Fan]

I understand everyones point and I think if he signs it should be at a reduced rate. But I think "losing a step" is directly related to being injured. Who does'nt lose a step when they're injured? This is why I don't think Springs wanted to play less than 100%. The same would have been said about him. I still believe he's a step above anyone else we have and someone like Fincher or Thomas isn't even going to come close no matter how long they play. Either way, I'll guess we'll see at the end of the season.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I understand everyones point and I think if he signs it should be at a reduced rate. But I think "losing a step" is directly related to being injured. Who does'nt lose a step when they're injured? This is why I don't think Springs wanted to play less than 100%. The same would have been said about him. I still believe he's a step above anyone else we have and someone like Fincher or Thomas isn't even going to come close no matter how long they play. Either way, I'll guess we'll see at the end of the season.

I can agree with that I guess. Problem is, he's injured more often than not these days.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I can agree with that I guess. Problem is, he's injured more often than not these days.

And yet we still sign players with past injuries and talk about signing guys like Levi Jones. And of course we know the Patriots don't know what they're doing because they sign players like Springs.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

And yet we still sign players with past injuries and talk about signing guys like Levi Jones. And of course we know the Patriots don't know what they're doing because they sign players like Springs.

Springs is still a top-tier player when he's on the field. Can't really say that about Marcus. Just because we talked about signing Levi Jones doesn't mean the Skins are interested in him. Signing players with past injuries is one thing. Marcus has an ongoing chronic hip issue which has contributed to multiple hamstring issues, and he just can't get to 100% anymore it seems. Trust me, I wish he could. I'd love to have him back at full tilt rocking it out at SAM.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Springs is still a top-tier player when he's on the field. Can't really say that about Marcus. Just because we talked about signing Levi Jones doesn't mean the Skins are interested in him. Signing players with past injuries is one thing. Marcus has an ongoing chronic hip issue which has contributed to multiple hamstring issues, and he just can't get to 100% anymore it seems. Trust me, I wish he could. I'd love to have him back at full tilt rocking it out at SAM.

Well that certainly seems to be your opinion, but I would say Blache disagrees. Dec.18, 2008 this is what he had to say, "You lose a lot when you lose Marcus. Not to take anything away from the guys who stepped in and competed for us, but a Marcus is a Marcus. He is a cut above." He's had injuries just like Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels and others, but I've never heard he had a chronic hip issue. I just find it funny the arguments made against him when others on the team have had injury issues as well. The fact is, the Redskins wanted him back or they wouldn't have made an offer. MW is just hurt about the way he was let go and by the offer being vet min. I don't blame the Skins for not wanting to pay him as much considering how much he's missed the last 2 years but it's not like the guy can't play at a high level anymore or has had worse injuries than some of the other players who are starting for us. The reason he's not here is because of pride, not because he can't play. We may not sign him but I seriously doubt he's washed up and he's certainly better than some of the other OLB's we have.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well that certainly seems to be your opinion, but I would say Blache disagrees. Dec.18, 2008 this is what he had to say, "You lose a lot when you lose Marcus. Not to take anything away from the guys who stepped in and competed for us, but a Marcus is a Marcus. He is a cut above." He's had injuries just like Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels and others, but I've never heard he had a chronic hip issue. I just find it funny the arguments made against him when others on the team have had injury issues as well. The fact is, the Redskins wanted him back or they wouldn't have made an offer. MW is just hurt about the way he was let go and by the offer being vet min. I don't blame the Skins for not wanting to pay him as much considering how much he's missed the last 2 years but it's not like the guy can't play at a high level anymore or has had worse injuries than some of the other players who are starting for us. The reason he's not here is because of pride, not because he can't play. We may not sign him but I seriously doubt he's washed up and he's certainly better than some of the other OLB's we have.

I'm sure Blache means he's a cut above when he's full go, which he never is anymore. He has recurring hip problems in the same hip, thus, chronic hip problem. From Marcus' page on rotoworld.com: "...injuries sapped his effectiveness and speed the last two seasons. Going on 32 with chronic hip and leg issues, he's unlikely to find another starting job." Also, this link from Hog's Haven mentions that his hip problems are chronic AT BEST, possibly degenerative.

The Redskins may want him back, but not too badly. They didn't offer him any more than any other 31 year old fringe players. "MW is hurt about the way he was let go and offered the vet min?" Then I'd tell him to grow up. He knows better than anyone how much he's been slowed by age/injuries. It's the business. And even if he was hurt initially, the total lack of better offers by the 31 other teams in the league should tell him the Skins did the right thing.

He's missed 13 games the past 2 seasons. That's a ton. I never said the guy couldn't play, but he's not the player he was in his first two seasons with the team.

[53Fan]

[QUOTE=GMScud;555835]I'm sure Blache means he's a cut above when he's full go, which he never is anymore. He has recurring hip problems in the same hip, thus, chronic hip problem.

The Redskins may want him back, but not too badly. They didn't offer him any more than any other 31 year old fringe players. "MW is hurt about the way he was let go and offered the vet min?" Then I'd tell him to grow up. He knows better than anyone how much he's been slowed by age/injuries. It's the business. And even if he was hurt initially, the total lack of better offers by the 31 other teams in the league should tell him the Skins did the right thing.

He's missed 13 games the past 2 seasons. That's a ton. I never said the guy couldn't play, but he's not the player he was in his first two seasons with the team.[/QUOTE]

I never said he was the player he was his first 2 seasons here. Neither is Randy Thomas or Chris Samuels. I can go on and on. I guess you can say the same thing about Daniels. He wouldn't come back for vet min. either until Blache talked him into it. I guess he needs to grow up too? And of course you would'nt be upset if the boss called you in and offered you minimum wage would you? I don't remember Mike Williams being offered a contract by anyone else either. Doe's that mean everyone else in the league has done the right thing except the Redskins?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm sure Blache means he's a cut above when he's full go, which he never is anymore. He has recurring hip problems in the same hip, thus, chronic hip problem. From Marcus' page on rotoworld.com: "...injuries sapped his effectiveness and speed the last two seasons. Going on 32 with chronic hip and leg issues, he's unlikely to find another starting job." Also, this link from Hog's Haven mentions that his hip problems are chronic AT BEST, possibly degenerative.

The Redskins may want him back, but not too badly. They didn't offer him any more than any other 31 year old fringe players. "MW is hurt about the way he was let go and offered the vet min?" Then I'd tell him to grow up. He knows better than anyone how much he's been slowed by age/injuries. It's the business. And even if he was hurt initially, the total lack of better offers by the 31 other teams in the league should tell him the Skins did the right thing.

He's missed 13 games the past 2 seasons. That's a ton. I never said the guy couldn't play, but he's not the player he was in his first two seasons with the team.

I disagree (sort of) w/ your take on Blache's comments from last year. Marcus wasn't a standout at any point last season (though he did post 8 tackles in the only game i saw live @ Fed Ex), but I think what you noticed, and what coach referred to, is when Marcus doesn't play teams have more success running to the strong side. While his ability has diminished some Marcus knows the system and the position better than anyone we currently have the roster. His difficulty in coverage could be mitigated by 1) better pressure up front 2) better coverage behind him (Horton so far hasn't really learned to cover well)

...bottom line I think MW will be better at SLB than anyone on our roster and i bet Blache feels the same way. But Marcus has several things working against him. The FO has gotten very stingy, and smart, w/ veterans taking up cap space. The roster is pretty full w/ talent already as in we probably carry extra d-line and o-line guys into the season. And finally, pride is working against him more than anything probably. Pride effs w/ our head and decision-making. He should re-sign for vet min cuz it's gonna be the best damn defense he'll ever be part of...and yeah he'd start.

[Lotus]

The Redskins have already offered MW a reduced contract. He hasn't signed it yet. You can bet that by training camp he will.

While I worry about MW slowing up with age, he can still rock SLB better than Thomas or either of the rookies (at least for now).

I think MW at SLB and Orakpo with a hand in the dirt gives our defense the best chance at dominance in 2009.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

And yet we still sign players with past injuries and talk about signing guys like Levi Jones. And of course we know the Patriots don't know what they're doing because they sign players like Springs.

We all love Marcus he played the game with passion. Now he is a little older and the injuries start to slow you down from playing at the level he is use to playing. The problem with Marcus is he can't run anymore which makes him a liablity in the passing game. Marcus needs to come to the realization that he is not the same productive player he once was several years ago. I guess we can pass him to rush the passer but thats what Orakpo does.