republicans, is this helping, or hurting your party

[saden1]

I don't hate Cheney, I'm just completely dispassionate about his wellbeing knowing what he stands for and advocates. You'll have to excuse me for not wanting to give CPR to man who advocates for torture. If it will make you feel better I feel the same about world dictators who tortured people. Finally, what's truly sad is Americans with the Constitution in one hand and Dick Cheney's balls in the other and acting like it's a lovely day. I am not one of these Americans, and I don't wish to be that American, I hope you understand this and if you don't it's a problem you have to deal with. Is this all perfectly clear?

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.

saden posting in the third person is a ridiculous as some of his more recent posts concerning Rush and Cheney.

I really don't understand the venom/violent under(over)tones from some on the left towards people on the right who are vocal about their positions.

To Miller101's post: Clinton had some very shady business dealings, many believe Vince Foster's death was no "suicide", Clinton sent terror suspects to Egypt to be "interrogated" and you can be sure the Egyptians do FAR worse than waterboard. So would the world be better off without Clinton too?

How about debating politcal positions with facts/logic civilly and respecting other's opinions rather than using rhetorical half-truths/non-factual garbage and making statements about the other side being dead.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

saden posting in the third person is a ridiculous as some of his more recent posts concerning Rush and Cheney.

I really don't understand the venom/violent under(over)tones from some on the left towards people on the right who are vocal about their positions.

To Miller101's post: Clinton had some very shady business dealings, many believe Vince Foster's death was no "suicide", Clinton sent terror suspects to Egypt to be "interrogated" and you can be sure the Egyptians do FAR worse than waterboard. So would the world be better off without Clinton too?

How about debating politcal positions with facts/logic civilly and respecting other's opinions rather than using rhetorical half-truths/non-factual garbage and making statements about the other side being dead.

saden always appreciates and values your input. saden also thanks you for your service to our country.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

saden always appreciates and values your input. saden also thanks you for your service to our country.

I appreciate and value your input too. Can't we all just share some arugula salad

P.S. we won't invite Cheney or Rush

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't hate Cheney, I'm just completely dispassionate about his wellbeing knowing what he stands for and advocates. You'll have to excuse me for not wanting to give CPR to man who advocates for torture. If it will make you feel better I feel the same about world dictators who tortured people. Finally, what's truly sad is Americans with the Constitution in one hand and Dick Cheney's balls in the other and acting like it's a lovely day. I am not one of these Americans, and I don't wish to be that American, I hope you understand this and if you don't it's a problem you have to deal with. Is this all perfectly clear?

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.

So I guess if Bill Clinton needed CPR you wouldn't give it to him either? He sent prisoners to Egypt to be tortured even worse than they would be tortured here.

President Bill Clinton issues Presidential Decision Directive 39 (PDD-39), which authorizes the "extraordinary rendition," or transfer, of non-citizen prisoners to Egypt for interrogation and trial. Egypt is known to practice torture, and statements obtained by torture in Egypt have been put to use by U.S. intelligence agencies. Human rights activists have argued that this is often the whole point of extraordinary rendition--it allows U.S. intelligence agencies to have prisoners tortured without breaking U.S. anti-torture laws.

History of Torture in the United States - Timeline History of Torture in the United States
Extraordinary rendition by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by saden1

Even towards Osama bin Laden? I'm sure you draw the line somewhere and it just so happens Rushbo and Cheney are on the wrong side of my line.

Go ahead and let Bin Laden die but you would let Cheney and Rush (two Americans) die because they have different beliefs than you?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by steveo395

So I guess if Bill Clinton needed CPR you wouldn't give it to him either? He sent prisoners to Egypt to be tortured even worse than they would be tortured here.

History of Torture in the United States - Timeline History of Torture in the United States
Extraordinary rendition by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Go ahead and let Bin Laden die but you would let Cheney and Rush (two Americans) die because they have different beliefs than you?

You have me confused, I put human rights above politics. If Clinton personally knew these individuals were going to be tortured and authorized their rendition you best believe I would leave him as I found him. BTW, I would perform CPR on W and McCain. Well, with W I might just put my foot on his chest and simply do a pump motion...and hope for the best.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by saden1

You have me confused, I put human rights above politics. If Clinton personally knew these individuals were going to be tortured and authorized their rendition you best believe I would leave him as I found him. BTW, I would perform CPR on W and McCain. Well, with W I might just put my foot on his chest and simply do a pump motion...and hope for the best.

So we know the people sent there were tortured but you don't think the president of the Unites States knew?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by steveo395

So we know the people sent there were tortured but you don't think the president of the Unites States knew?

You know after the fact, the question is did you know before the fact and did president Clinton know that these prisoners were going to be tortured if they were renditioned back to Egypt. You do understand what the Directive you referenced states don't you?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

You know after the fact, the question is did you know before the fact and did president Clinton know that these prisoners were going to be tortured if they were renditioned back to Egypt. You do understand what the Directive you referenced states don't you?

It seems Saden cares more obout terrorist then he cares about what happens to US citizens. You live in a pretty f^&*ed up state of mind.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

It seems Saden cares more obout terrorist then he cares about what happens to US citizens. You live in a pretty f^&*ed up state of mind.

Yes, I care more about the tortured than the torturer. My state of mind is perfectly fine because I know exactly who I am, what I am and what I stand for.

...[T]he path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

saden wouldn't personally harm Dick and Rushbo because he's a lover not a fighter, saden wouldn't act if they were dying because he just doesn't give a shit about them.

I hear that one of the first signs of mental disorder is referring to yourself in the third person.