I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Play with fire? Teams try the best they can to get the talent needed to win. I dont care what team he last played for. He could of played for the Satan All-Stars and id still sign him if he gave my team a better chance to win.

I didnt have a problem with Deion Sanders at the time. Hes probably one of the top 3 corners to ever play the game. So yeah back in 2000 I didnt mind having a trio of Champ Bailey, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green. The only Skins fans who didnt want Deion were the ones holding a grudge for all the times he whipped our ass over the years. (Excuse, he was washed up, and he stole money from Synder)

As for Alvin Harper I didnt have any opinion one way or the other. I didnt think he was anything special. He did play 2 seasons for Tampa Bay before us so it wasnt like he came right from the Cowboys here. ( That's pointless. His longest tenure was with the Boys, he's a Cowboy)

Brandon Noble had knee problems but when he played for us he played well. He even won the Ed Block Courage Award after coming back from his first knee injury with us. I wanted Noble and had no problems with that move. You cant predict knee injuries they could happen to anyone. He probably would of came back and played some more for us if he didnt get a staph infection that ended his career after his 2nd knee injury.

( True, you can't predict knee injures, but when he was healthy he didn't do shit. Another excuse)

What's you're point? All those players were terrible with us. Don't make excuses for each player I listed, if you're trying to make an point just make it. Yeah Evans was good, but he was a cheap FA that had no expectations, all of these guys (Harper, Sanders, and Noble) were high-priced and big named FA's that people had high expectations for. Just admit it: NO COWBOY HAS COME HERE AND PERFORMED AT A HIGH LEVEL.

Originally Posted by vallin21

( True, you can't predict knee injures, but when he was healthy he didn't do shit. Another excuse)

What's you're point? All those players were terrible with us. Don't make excuses for each player I listed, if you're trying to make an point just make it. Yeah Evans was good, but he was a cheap FA that had no expectations, all of these guys (Harper, Sanders, and Noble) were high-priced and big named FA's that people had high expectations for. Just admit it: NO COWBOY HAS COME HERE AND PERFORMED AT A HIGH LEVEL.

I disagree. Noble was a solid piece to our defensive tackle rotation. He wasnt a pro bowler but he wasnt "shit" either. I dont think I was making excuses for Noble. Im just pointing out when he did play for us he was solid. I dont think knee injuries should go against him.

Im not making excuses for each player you listed. Where did I make "excuses" for Deion or Harper? I only suggested alot of Skins fans wanted Deion. I said I had no opinion about Harper at the time we signed him. I didnt think he was anything special so I had no opinion good or bad at the time. You said I probably wanted all three of those guys. I admit I did want two of them. I never made any excuses for any of them though. At the sametime Harper and Noble werent brought in to be superstars.

I know no one had high expectations for Evans but if you had high expectations for Harper or Noble then you either didnt watch them play before we signed them or you overhype players. Harper didnt do nothing in two seasons in TB before he came to Washington and Noble was solid but not a great player.

The only point I was trying to make is just because certain Cowboy players havent worked out in the past doesnt mean we should never bring in a Cowboy player again. If you honestly hate the Cowboys so much that you dont want to try to improve your own football team then you have some serious issues. Its like you think ex-cowboys to this franchise are like the Madden curse. No offense but the only player who the Skins have brought in in the last 10 years from the Cowboys who was suppose to be something special was Deion Sanders.

(oh as for Harper playing two season in TB before he came to DC. The only reason I brought it up was because I thought we were talking about players who came from Dallas to Washington. Since he played last for Tampa Bay I didnt understand why he was brought into the discussion.)

[Stuck in TX]

way too old, injury prone, and not something we need here. IR/the training room will already be busy this year with the likes of our geriatric backup DE's and Griffin.

[Nflnick11]

Hell no

[nyredskinsfan]

Originally Posted by jamf

You want to trade with the god damn cowboys?

Exactly

[Ruhskins]

Here's Stats, Inc. take on Greg Ellis. While I'm not advocating for him (for a trade at least, since he will most likely be released) just wanted to add this to this discussion. Also, someone mentioned him being injury prone, well he played all 16 games last season, only missed 3 in 2007, and it was only in 2006 when he missed 8 games.

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Greg Ellis #98 LB
Grade: 75 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Ellis is 10-year veteran with very good size and adequate speed and quickness. He reacts quickly to the run. He has good size and strength to maintain effective hand use. He has long arms to stack and shed. He will get upright with his pad level, but has good strength and balance to keep his feet. He's a former defensive end who understands leverage. He can play physical and get off blocks with good timing. He is still quick enough to work his feet and re-gain outside leverage. He is also quick enough to contain and force running backs back inside. He has adequate acceleration in space with good effort to pursue from behind. As a pass rusher, the Cowboys will bring him off the edge from a three-point stance where he has good success recording sacks when his hand is on the ground. He has strength in his upper body to re-work his hands inside then react off of the offensive tackle's technique. He's physical with his hands and works to finish. He is also strong with the ability to rip inside-out. He has a variety of pass-rush moves including spins and counters. He does a good job turning speed to power. He will get upright on counter moves, but comes hard inside and has strength into traffic. He has some limitations in coverage due to his lack of burst in space. He will stall changing direction and lack the quickness to break down consistently, when isolated.

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by jamf

You want to trade with the god damn cowboys?

we dont trade with them we never have never will

Originally Posted by redskinjim

we dont trade with them we never have never will

Actually we have before.

Redskins general manager Charley Casserly decided he wouldn't risk losing Johnson. He gave the Dallas Cowboys a third round pick to move up from the 7th spot on the second round to the 30th spot on the first round and grabbed Johnson.

It was noteworthy that Jerry Jones, the Dallas owner, traded his first round pick to the Redskins, a division rival. The Redskins also traded with the Cowboys in 1989, 1991 and 1992. When Casserly was asked what his mentor, the late George Allen, would have thought about trading with the Cowboys, Casserly said, "First of all, George wouldn't have had the second and third (round picks) to trade because they would have been gone four years ago.''

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[DBUCHANON101]

In our 4-3 he would be more suited for the DE spot instead of SLB.
you honestly think he can cover guys like Witten and Ingram?

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

In our 4-3 he would be more suited for the DE spot instead of SLB.
you honestly think he can cover guys like Witten and Ingram?

I agree hes a DE in a 4-3 defense but if the price is right I wouldnt mind giving him a shot at OLB. Hell id put Orakpo at DE, Ellis at WLB, and move Rocky to SLB.

I know the odds of this happening are slim to none but I think it would be a upgrade over playing Orakpo out of position and two old DEs at LDE.

[skinsfan69]

No cowboys

[Nflnick11]

I got a better OLB option, Brady popinga of the packers, cause thyre switching to a 3-4 and they don't think that he'll fit in it, and he's a great 4-3 OLB, I think theyll cut him by training camp

[GTripp0012]

New rule: if we're going to suggest players who would make sense at OLB in our 4-3 defense, they have to be a better player than Marcus Washington. Who is still a free agent.

Pisa Tinoisamoa was an interesting case, because he is a great player. He's just very, very lanky, and almost exclusively needs to be in a cover two defense to be great. I think Poppinga would be worth a look. But the Greg Ellis' of the world...we can do better.

Also, SLB is a position that is very much a two down position in the NFL, so it makes sense to hand the job to Orakpo as a rookie, if just to get him onto the field and tackling NFL RBs. We're not lacking in nickel linebackers with Blades and Fletch, and the team appears to be happy with Rocky Mac as a two down weak-side linebacker, which is a place I think a move would make sense. So given that, maybe we don't have a need at LB.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I dont like when people take stats and break them down.

I will only have reactionary posts from here on out.

[70Chip]

My take on LBs is that you get the fastest, best motor guys available, preferably young and you let them run to the ball. Vets are good as situational guys, they know the drops, etc, but Ellis, to me, was always a bit stiff.