Liberal Supermajority

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

We have the 37th ranked health-care system in the world, and most evidence points to a single-payer system providing better benefits at cheaper total cost and with more freedom to doctors than our system.

My statement is FUD??? Did you just watch Sicko or are you just following the socialized medicine talking points?

Carroll: U.S. health care is not inferior - The Denver Post

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

Evidence from countires with socialized medicine show higher mortality rates than the U.S. for cancer and significantly longer wait times for treatments. Do some research and don't drink the Obam-Aid.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

My statement is FUD??? Did you just watch Sicko or are you just following the socialized medicine talking points?

Carroll: U.S. health care is not inferior - The Denver Post

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf

Evidence from countires with socialized medicine show higher mortality rates than the U.S. for cancer and significantly longer wait times for treatments. Do some research and don't drink the Obam-Aid.

Yes, FUD. Our current system does not work:
NEJM -- The Quality of Health Care Delivered to Adults in the United States

Your response is typical of the "I'm in the pocket of a lobbyist" movement attempting to stifle true healthcare reform that is good for everyone - "I can't really refute the facts or the polls, so I'll call it socialism" (or maybe even fascism!).
Political Irony › Like a jealous lover, the insurance industry doesn’t want you to be able to get health insurance from anyone, even if they turned you down

Most polls support the public option:
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Public Support for the Public Option

But many Rs and Dems are beholden to special interests:
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Special Interest Money Means Longer Odds for Public Option

So, yes - FUD.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Yes, FUD. Our current system does not work:
NEJM -- The Quality of Health Care Delivered to Adults in the United States

Your response is typical of the "I'm in the pocket of a lobbyist" movement attempting to stifle true healthcare reform that is good for everyone - "I can't really refute the facts or the polls, so I'll call it socialism" (or maybe even fascism!).
Political Irony › Like a jealous lover, the insurance industry doesn’t want you to be able to get health insurance from anyone, even if they turned you down

Most polls support the public option:
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Public Support for the Public Option

But many Rs and Dems are beholden to special interests:
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Special Interest Money Means Longer Odds for Public Option

So, yes - FUD.

A NEJM poll, Nate Silver from 538, and an accusation that anyone against Obama's plan of healthcare reform must be on the take, WOW you came with both guns fully loaded and blazin'. The Obam-Aid must be real good. Put on your Air Jordans and wait for the Reid/Pelosi-bop comet to wisk you away to a Marxist worker's paradise.

When the national debt is + $20T in 2017, when crap & trade increases the average family's energy costs (taxes) by over $ 1,500 / yr., when SS & Medicare are closing in on being insolvent, when the employee cost of private health insurance has doubled and quality/access to care is significantly reduced.....I'll blame you.....and saden.....and the homosexuals.


Note: Before I get the homophobe response, the last part is a running joke from the Guard at Holocaust Museum thread.

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Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Yes, FUD. Our current system does not work:
NEJM -- The Quality of Health Care Delivered to Adults in the United States

Your response is typical of the "I'm in the pocket of a lobbyist" movement attempting to stifle true healthcare reform that is good for everyone - "I can't really refute the facts or the polls, so I'll call it socialism" (or maybe even fascism!).
Political Irony › Like a jealous lover, the insurance industry doesn’t want you to be able to get health insurance from anyone, even if they turned you down

Most polls support the public option:
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Public Support for the Public Option

But many Rs and Dems are beholden to special interests:
FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Special Interest Money Means Longer Odds for Public Option

So, yes - FUD.

This ia a clip from one of your 538 links:A major, though by no means the only, substantive point of debate regarding health care reform is whether the plan considered by Congress will include a "public option" -- a government-run insurance program that would compete with private plans. Barack Obama's plan on the campaign trail included a public option: "any American will have the opportunity to enroll in the new public plan or an approved private plan," it said.

So what will be these approved private plan's. I'd bet they will be the expensive ones forcing everyone to the goverment run health care. For the plan to even work they have to get a large number of healthy americans to join the plan to offset the cost of all the people with health issues. Look at what is happening with the state run health ins in Massachusetts and now the state run ins is more expensive then private coverage. Its the same old thing. The goverment has this great idea on how to run something and make it cheaper and before its said and done it drives up the cost instead of driving them down. Here is a clip from an article and a link to the article.

The proponents of the Massachusetts reforms
also promised that those reforms would
reduce health care costs. Governor Romney
said that “the cost of health care would be reduced”
and the plan would make health insurance
“affordable” for every Massachusetts citizen.

27

Supporters suggested that the reforms

would reduce the price of individual insurance

policies by 25–40 percent.

28

In reality, insurance premiums rose by 7.4

percent in 2007, 8–12 percent in 2008, and are
expected to rise 9 percent this year.

29 By comparison,

nationwide insurance costs rose by

6.1 percent in 2007, just 4.7 percent in 2008,
and are projected to increase 6.4 percent this
year.

30 On average, health insurance costs

$16,897 for a family of four in Massachusetts,

compared to $12,700 nationally.

31

Boy that sounds just like what the Dems and Obama are saying right now.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp112.pdf

Oh, your first link was a study done over 6 years ago.