Football Outsider win predictions

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skindeep

@NYG L
STL W
@DET W
TB W
@CAR W
KC W
PHIL W
-BYE-
@ ATL W
DEN W
@DAL L
@ PHI L
NO W
@OAK W
NYG W
DAL W
@ SD L

Thats how I see it. I split the east because its always a toss up. 11-5

11-5? I hope so, but then reality will sink in by week 6-8 that we are average. Everyone is talking about our young Wrs and rightly so. They are a big wildcard in terms of if we are going to be successful. The prognosticators seem to think Thomas is going to breakout, but they are not too keen on the others. Also they do make a big point about our rather aged offensive line. Those guys collapsed last season, and the FO did not address this glaring need for an upgrade. Haynesworth ard Orakpo will bolster our D, but then again our D was rated 4th while our O was 28th in scoring. I can see us getting lucky at 11-5 only if Kelly and Randle El contribute significantly this year, along with Thomas, and our O line doesn't get busted up by the mid way point of the season. Hard for JC to get these guys the ball if he is getting sacked all the time.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

11-5? I hope so, but then reality will sink in by week 6-8 that we are average. Everyone is talking about our young Wrs and rightly so. They are a big wildcard in terms of if we are going to be successful. The prognosticators seem to think Thomas is going to breakout, but they are not too keen on the others. Also they do make a big point about our rather aged offensive line. Those guys collapsed last season, and the FO did not address this glaring need for an upgrade. Haynesworth ard Orakpo will bolster our D, but then again our D was rated 4th while our O was 28th in scoring. I can see us getting lucky at 11-5 only if Kelly and Randle El contribute significantly this year, along with Thomas, and our O line doesn't get busted up by the mid way point of the season. Hard for JC to get these guys the ball if he is getting sacked all the time.

Given our first 8 opponents, I doubt we will be shown as average; I expect that most media will be pointing at our 6-2 start last year, and comparing our 6-2 or 5-3 start to it, saying that we will probably collapse again. Again, our biggest difference is that instead of playing D's like Pitt and Balt, we will have Oakland, SD and Denver in the final 8. I am very optimistic, and our O-line, though not heavily improved like most of us hoped, will not see the likes of R Lewis, or T Polamalu coming hard on blitzes.
I will admit I always am optimistic at this time, but I believe there is the an absolute reason to be.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Given our first 8 opponents, I doubt we will be shown as average; I expect that most media will be pointing at our 6-2 start last year, and comparing our 6-2 or 5-3 start to it, saying that we will probably collapse again. Again, our biggest difference is that instead of playing D's like Pitt and Balt, we will have Oakland, SD and Denver in the final 8. I am very optimistic, and our O-line, though not heavily improved like most of us hoped, will not see the likes of R Lewis, or T Polamalu coming hard on blitzes.
I will admit I always am optimistic at this time, but I believe there is the an absolute reason to be.

WE will see. I used to be the 10-6 or 9-7 guy, but since Gibbs II these preseason rags have been pretty much right on. Just hope the Sporting news 4-12 prediction was just a sick joke.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

11-5? I hope so, but then reality will sink in by week 6-8 that we are average. Everyone is talking about our young Wrs and rightly so. They are a big wildcard in terms of if we are going to be successful. The prognosticators seem to think Thomas is going to breakout, but they are not too keen on the others. Also they do make a big point about our rather aged offensive line. Those guys collapsed last season, and the FO did not address this glaring need for an upgrade. Haynesworth ard Orakpo will bolster our D, but then again our D was rated 4th while our O was 28th in scoring. I can see us getting lucky at 11-5 only if Kelly and Randle El contribute significantly this year, along with Thomas, and our O line doesn't get busted up by the mid way point of the season. Hard for JC to get these guys the ball if he is getting sacked all the time.

AMEN!!! You guys have to understand that an average OLINE (MUCH LESS OFFENSE OVERALL) can't win you 11 games. Portis need's help because this is a 2 RB league now.. Our WR'S are not great, and JC is under alot of pressure this season.. I see 9-7 at best and 7-9 at worst.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

11-5? I hope so, but then reality will sink in by week 6-8 that we are average. Everyone is talking about our young Wrs and rightly so. They are a big wildcard in terms of if we are going to be successful. The prognosticators seem to think Thomas is going to breakout, but they are not too keen on the others. Also they do make a big point about our rather aged offensive line. Those guys collapsed last season, and the FO did not address this glaring need for an upgrade. Haynesworth ard Orakpo will bolster our D, but then again our D was rated 4th while our O was 28th in scoring. I can see us getting lucky at 11-5 only if Kelly and Randle El contribute significantly this year, along with Thomas, and our O line doesn't get busted up by the mid way point of the season. Hard for JC to get these guys the ball if he is getting sacked all the time.

Receivers are only as good as their QB. See Roddy White, Wes Welker, DeSean Jackson, the entire Saints receiving corps and all those scrubs Tom Brady made look good (Deion Branch, Troy Brown, etc.) before Moss and Welker got there.

Just felt like pushing buttons this morning

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Receivers are only as good as their QB. See Roddy White, Wes Welker, DeSean Jackson, the entire Saints receiving corps and all those scrubs Tom Brady made look good (Deion Branch, Troy Brown, etc.) before Moss and Welker got there.

Just felt like pushing buttons this morning

I agree, Moss has gamebreaking ability -see Dallas and Saints game- and Cooley is a great weapon at TE. so we shouldnt be struggling the way we are,someone else has to step up with those guys getting all of the attention. 13 pts a game over the 2nd half is terrible. and the oline had the same avg of sacks allowed per game over the 2nd half of the season if you dont count the Steeler game-7 sacks. in which they did play bad but it also skews the stats as a whole.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I agree, Moss has gamebreaking ability -see Dallas and Saints game- and Cooley is a great weapon at TE. so we shouldnt be struggling the way we are,someone else has to step up with those guys getting all of the attention. 13 pts a game over the 2nd half is terrible. and the oline had the same avg of sacks allowed per game over the 2nd half of the season if you dont count the Steeler game-7 sacks. in which they did play bad but it also skews the stats as a whole.

Yeah, and there's no reason they shouldn't have done better against the niners when absolutely nothing was on the line. I can understand needing an above average to dominant O line to be successful against the best defenses in the league, but there are no excuses against the likes of the Bengals, Rams and 49ers. Beating a dead horse I know, but there were a lot of other teams with weak receivers and dinged up offensive lines that still managed to field a credible passing attack and put more than 12 points a game on the board. They'll be better this year.

[Lotus]

I find two things from 2008 to be fluky:
1) that such a quality defense would get so few turnovers (turnovers are part-skill, part-luck), and
2) that Cooley scored only once. From his stats you can't argue that Cooley had a bad year or that JC could not find him.

To me, the law of averages will have to rectify both of these flukes...and 2009 is a good time for the law of averages to catch up!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Yeah, and there's no reason they shouldn't have done better against the niners when absolutely nothing was on the line. I can understand needing an above average to dominant O line to be successful against the best defenses in the league, but there are no excuses against the likes of the Bengals, Rams and 49ers. Beating a dead horse I know, but there were a lot of other teams with weak receivers and dinged up offensive lines that still managed to field a credible passing attack and put more than 12 points a game on the board. They'll be better this year.

I think the explanation to this is simply having one of the worst, if not the worst, oline in the league over the long haul. It's not an easy pill to swallow but thinking about how that group was absolutely destroyed by Pitt, Baltimore, NY and Dallas during the 2nd half of the season then it's no surprise the oline never recovered...so even the Bengals, Rams the niners were a challenge.

It's interesting to see how focus on the state of the oline has waned this off-season within the franchise and fanbase. I want to believe we've done enough to avoid another collapse, but i can't agree w/ how our FO has handled the situation. We're literally one injury away from the line falling to pieces (Samuels) and if any two of the other starters went down the offense would grind to halt.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Yeah, and there's no reason they shouldn't have done better against the niners when absolutely nothing was on the line. I can understand needing an above average to dominant O line to be successful against the best defenses in the league, but there are no excuses against the likes of the Bengals, Rams and 49ers. Beating a dead horse I know, but there were a lot of other teams with weak receivers and dinged up offensive lines that still managed to field a credible passing attack and put more than 12 points a game on the board. They'll be better this year.

I agree

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Yeah, and there's no reason they shouldn't have done better against the niners when absolutely nothing was on the line. ...

It was all part of the masterful subterfuge, which led us to get Orakpo, and have all the media downplay our abilities. Thus astounding all when Orakpo opens against the Giants with 3 sacks on Manning while big ole AH shuts down Jacobs. LL won't be havin' to make no last minute stops this time 'round!

Is it September yet?

Edit: Did I mention D Halls 2 TD Int returns and Santana's PR for a TD. 21-0 And I haven't even started with Marko Mitchell streaking down for the 80 yd TD

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Receivers are only as good as their QB. See Roddy White, Wes Welker, DeSean Jackson, the entire Saints receiving corps and all those scrubs Tom Brady made look good (Deion Branch, Troy Brown, etc.) before Moss and Welker got there.

Just felt like pushing buttons this morning

100% agree with you here. Sure WR's help out their QB, but a great WR will not help a qb like a great QB will help a WR.