Heyer Injured

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't know that happy is the right word. Just not panicked yet. Like I said, this is not the same line that finished the year. Dockery is younger, at least equal to kendall, samuels is healthy, heyer has a competent backup in bridges, jansen is gone. I am hopeful that rinehart will be more prepared,.

To me the center is the only spot we are just thin at.

if u look across the nfl at the best lines, I am confident most teams, are allowing there vet lines some grace time. I know dallas is, philly had both tackles held out the last two practices, I don't know about the giants. If we get to the baltimore game and our oline starters don't take the field as a unit for several series, then I will worry.

One final point, there just isn't much talent sitting out there that would upgrade your two concerns, health and age. Levi jones would, but as I said earlier he is waiting, otherwise who do we plug in that would be better than the youth we already have, and are trying to train (rinehart, williams the center, bridges).

I don't expect this line to be all-pro hogs style. But I expect that our talent positions, CP, Campbell, will be given enough time and holes to get a better job done.

By the way, the line about the koolaid was classic

Let's keep drinking at least until we see the group in action, I do have an extra cup if you want one

Can you put about 3 ounces of vodka in that cup before you pass it over....

I worry more about our line because I think the other 3 lines in the division are proven compared to our's which was an obvious question mark going to the offseason. Obviously, little was done to upgrade it.

I think Bridges could start game one and it would not hurt us at all. In fact, I believe he may earn a starting spot at guard or tackle outright.

I am glad that Reinhart is doing better but I am not sure he can be trusted yet.

I know Heyer will come back but I don't know if I feel comfortable with him as the starter even if he is 100%.

It seems that Jones may be too expensive so they should see if Runyan might have some interest. He is definitely familiar with the division... I really never wanted to see him in the Redskins uniform but oh well.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Can you put about 3 ounces of vodka in that cup before you pass it over....

I worry more about our line because I think the other 3 lines in the division are proven compared to our's which was an obvious question mark going to the offseason. Obviously, little was done to upgrade it.

I think Bridges could start game one and it would not hurt us at all. In fact, I believe he may earn a starting spot at guard or tackle outright.

I am glad that Reinhart is doing better but I am not sure he can be trusted yet.

I know Heyer will come back but I don't know if I feel comfortable with him as the starter even if he is 100%.

It seems that Jones may be too expensive so they should see if Runyan might have some interest. He is definitely familiar with the division... I really never wanted to see him in the Redskins uniform but oh well.

I'm not sure.

Dallas: last year had troubles at both guard and tackle. Adams has been going downhill and may be worse this year

Philly: counting people who change positions, 3/5 of their line is new this year, and they had trouble at center last year but didn't change anything regarding that position

NYG: pretty solid, but they've been lucky with injuries

It seems to me that almost every team in the NFC Beast is struggling with offensive line woes.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wow, didn't take long for the sky to start falling huh.

Look, some of these tweaks are things that wouldn't even be a blip on the radar during the season. But in August there's no reason to risk guys so a broken finger nail is going to keep a guy out of practice. Rabach is coming back today, and we knew from the start that Thomas was going to be brought along slowly during the preseason.

A voice of reason.

Better to have Thomas sit out of camp but be healthy for Dallas than the other way around.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

There's no need to panic, but it's hard to be comfortable with our current linemen. Even Zorn admitted he was reluctant to call deep passing plays last season because he didn't think our line would give Jason time. Is there any reason to think our line will be able to provide Jason with more time this season?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm not sure.

Dallas: last year had troubles at both guard and tackle. Adams has been going downhill and may be worse this year

Philly: counting people who change positions, 3/5 of their line is new this year, and they had trouble at center last year but didn't change anything regarding that position

NYG: pretty solid, but they've been lucky with injuries

It seems to me that almost every team in the NFC Beast is struggling with offensive line woes.

True true, in fact Dallas says the same thing about how JJ won't draft line talent, but in their case I understand it more. They had many picks in the later rounds to pick out several OL to see what they could find, but didn't. I still think we have the second best situation, like you said the Giants have been lucky, but still they have a solid line and they probably would survive an injury, because their backups have had lots of practice.

Dallas is in way worse shape then us, they have no real youth, and Flozell between his false starts and getting worse health is not the force he once was. The rest of their line is average. They are counting on running alot this year, like us, and I think their line will not hold up. We all know its three games if TR hurts his pinky. I would be ok with AH gunning for a pinky LOL

The Eagles. I've never seen a team get so many passes. If we had gotten Andrews or Peters again, DS would be ridiculed for overpaying underperforming athletes. What a joke, AH after 2 lights out seasons, and an expressed desire to prove he is the best gets criticized as a slacker, while J Peters has a poor year and gets called the steal of the off season, or a great move by the Eagles. If he has a better year than AH I will eat suishi! (some may not consider that a punishment, but for me it is.)

All in all, we are looking good.

by the way did anyone else see the Texans lost a starting CB to a fractured leg. I am not trying to invoke karma, but really lets compare around the league.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

There's no need to panic, but it's hard to be comfortable with our current linemen. Even Zorn admitted he was reluctant to call deep passing plays last season because he didn't think our line would give Jason time. Is there any reason to think our line will be able to provide Jason with more time this season?

late in the season wasn't this line. I went through it somewhere else, but Jansen gone, Geisinger gone, other depth linemen gone. Samuels Healthy, Bridges here, Dockery here.

There was no splashy off season acquisition, but neither is this the same group that crashed so spectacularly last year. I think the FO's approach was something along the lines of : Our starters healthy went 6-2, our backups went 2-6 --- FIRE the backups. So they did and went and got a whole bunch of new back ups. I hope they are right.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

late in the season wasn't this line. I went through it somewhere else, but Jansen gone, Geisinger gone, other depth linemen gone. Samuels Healthy, Bridges here, Dockery here.

There was no splashy off season acquisition, but neither is this the same group that crashed so spectacularly last year. I think the FO's approach was something along the lines of : Our starters healthy went 6-2, our backups went 2-6 --- FIRE the backups. So they did and went and got a whole bunch of new back ups. I hope they are right.

good points

Overall could we be in a more favorable situation? Sure. But I'm far from hitting the panic button over your typical training camp bumps and bruises. Last I checked we haven't lost anyone to a significant injury.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

late in the season wasn't this line. I went through it somewhere else, but Jansen gone, Geisinger gone, other depth linemen gone. Samuels Healthy, Bridges here, Dockery here.

There was no splashy off season acquisition, but neither is this the same group that crashed so spectacularly last year. I think the FO's approach was something along the lines of : Our starters healthy went 6-2, our backups went 2-6 --- FIRE the backups. So they did and went and got a whole bunch of new back ups. I hope they are right.

Good points. My biggest problem is I just don't see anyone on our roster who can step in and play right tackle. I always liked Heyer as a backup, but I don't trust him as a starter. And I certainly don't trust Mike Williams as a right tackle either.

[Hog1]

PINEAPPLE JESUS gear? THAT is...............incredible

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Good points. My biggest problem is I just don't see anyone on our roster who can step in and play right tackle. I always liked Heyer as a backup, but I don't trust him as a starter. And I certainly don't trust Mike Williams as a right tackle either.

I hear ya, and I wanted Oher real bad at the draft, but when Orakpo was there I understood. After that any RT taken or acquired was, in my opinion as big a crap shoot as Heyer, and he has been in our system.

I have this basic belief in a healthy Samuels, if he is in and playing teams will have to account for it, and the rest of the line is better. when/if he gets hurt the defenses can attack more at our weaker RT and we get stuck. I hope Bridges can be that effective fill in if Heyer has to go to the LT spot. but we will only know it on the field.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

There's no need to panic, but it's hard to be comfortable with our current linemen. Even Zorn admitted he was reluctant to call deep passing plays last season because he didn't think our line would give Jason time. Is there any reason to think our line will be able to provide Jason with more time this season?

These are my feelings as well. What bothers me more is not the line itself, but the fact almost nothing was done to change what the head coach noted was lacking.

Why are Zorn's concerns not addressed via free agency or draft? Is this whole get the best talent thing panning out? Especially when the need is so severe.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Our starters healthy went 6-2, our backups went 2-6 --- FIRE the backups. So they did and went and got a whole bunch of new back ups. I hope they are right.

That is a good way of looking at it...

*sigh* I just have to wait and hope it works out.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I hear ya, and I wanted Oher real bad at the draft, but when Orakpo was there I understood. After that any RT taken or acquired was, in my opinion as big a crap shoot as Heyer, and he has been in our system.

I have this basic belief in a healthy Samuels, if he is in and playing teams will have to account for it, and the rest of the line is better. when/if he gets hurt the defenses can attack more at our weaker RT and we get stuck. I hope Bridges can be that effective fill in if Heyer has to go to the LT spot. but we will only know it on the field.

This is an excellent point which goes unnoticed by many folks who scream, "Why didn't they draft an OT?"

In the '08 draft the best WR on many boards fell into our lap. In the '09 draft the best defensive player on many boards fell in our lap. Perhaps '10 will be the year for a tackle to miraculously appear.

[GMScud]

Just got a tweet from Redskins Insider - Heyer's MRI on his knee revealed no structural damage, so they're just going to give him a few days rest. Phew.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Lotus

This is an excellent point which goes unnoticed by many folks who scream, "Why didn't they draft an OT?"

In the '08 draft the best WR on many boards fell into our lap. In the '09 draft the best defensive player on many boards fell in our lap. Perhaps '10 will be the year for a tackle to miraculously appear.

Yeah, and we will always fill our draft needs a season too late. Never going to win the big one that way. We need to do a better job of projecting and filling needs before or as they happen instead of always playing catch up a season later.