I Was impressed!!!

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If I'm correct that int he threw (3rd one in three games and I believe the second in the red zone) was a 14 point swing or atleast a 10 point swing so yes Colt lost the game.

Yeah lets not bring up Green-Ellis doing whatever he wanted to our run D in the 2nd half. the numerous penalties that killed drives, the lack of pass protection by the backup Oline, the big return allowed towards the end while the ST has been horrid on coverage the whole preseason. And a 50 yd fg used to be a big deal 10 yrs ago now its the standard by which the good kickers are rated. Wide Left.
its all on perception. if we were driving in the final min and he throws the pick 6 then yes he lost it. but that was in the 3rd. If we were driving for a win and he throws a pass to get us within the 50yds as time is running out and the FG sailed wide you would want the kickers head on a stick. He threw the pick then he threw a td so its even. ST allows the returner to catch the ball on his side of the 50 and return it to the mid 20's i believe as he dragged our player for about the last 5 yds.Again, to put it on ONE man is just a lame excuse when the team as a whole didnt do very well in the 2nd.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Yeah lets not bring up Green-Ellis doing whatever he wanted to our run D in the 2nd half. the numerous penalties that killed drives, the lack of pass protection by the backup Oline, the big return allowed towards the end while the ST has been horrid on coverage the whole preseason. And a 50 yd fg used to be a big deal 10 yrs ago now its the standard by which the good kickers are rated. Wide Left.
its all on perception. if we were driving in the final min and he throws the pick 6 then yes he lost it. but that was in the 3rd. If we were driving for a win and he throws a pass to get us within the 50yds as time is running out and the FG sailed wide you would want the kickers head on a stick. He threw the pick then he threw a td so its even. ST allows the returner to catch the ball on his side of the 50 and return it to the mid 20's i believe as he dragged our player for about the last 5 yds.Again, to put it on ONE man is just a lame excuse when the team as a whole didnt do very well in the 2nd.

You are correct about the other failings of the team.

It is also true that Colt's foolish throw cost us 7-14 points. The foolish sack he took may have cost us another three points. All of this in a game which was won by three points.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Different circumstances my friend. In the first 2 games he barely played, 13 passes over 2 games makes it kinda hard, and frankly a bit unfair to draw any hard conclusions about his play. Last night he finally had the chance to get into the flow of the game and with 22 attempts in 2+ quarters I think we got a much better idea of what he's capable of, along with the rest of the offense for that matter.

your right about the circumstances and drawing any conclusions from the first 2 games,but you can also say the same thing about the 3rd game.Were not evaluating a rookie,weve had 3 yrs of Jason and to say from 1 preseason game you cant suddenly anoit greatness.{thats not exactly what your saying,but I think you know what I mean}We know JC can play,hes shown flashes of it,but the same thing could be said for a lot of qbs,I just think you got a little too excited about 1 preseason game,thats all I'm saying,and on the same token some people get too excited about his poor play in preseason,I dont think you can base any hard conclusions from any of the first 3 games.That said,JC's last game does raise my spirits and gives me hope for the season.
Just shelled out the bucks for directtvs sunday ticket and superfan package,so I'll be able to see the games in houston,and JC's last performance gives me hope that I didnt waste my money

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are correct about the other failings of the team.

It is also true that Colt's foolish throw cost us 7-14 points. The foolish sack he took may have cost us another three points. All of this in a game which was won by three points.

do you think if JC had thrown that INT, or taken a sack, we still would have been hearing about the other failings?

Obviously other areas need improved, but to say CBs didn't directly affect the outcome is a little disingenuous.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

do you think if JC had thrown that INT, or taken a sack, we still would have been hearing about the other failings?

Obviously other areas need improved, but to say CBs didn't directly affect the outcome is a little disingenuous.

Im not sayin he was stellar but to say one man lost the game with everything else that happened is pretty harsh. yeah the sack hurt but its not like the kick was impossible. and like JZ said that is all sumed up to lack of experience.

[53Fan]

CB most definitely contributed to the loss. When he threw that INT I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. That was an extremely bad decision and it cost the team. That being said I thought he did a great job of coming back with the TD to Mitchell. Considering that any momentum we had going completely died on that play, I was pretty impressed with the way he regrouped and didn't lay down. The throw to Mitchell couldn't have been thrown any better if Brady had thrown it. Mitchell made and adjustment on that play because the defense was busted and took off toward the goal-line. Colt saw it and threw a perfect pass. Given the chance I think he'll learn and get better. Of course that's JMO.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Im not sayin he was stellar but to say one man lost the game with everything else that happened is pretty harsh. yeah the sack hurt but its not like the kick was impossible. and like JZ said that is all sumed up to lack of experience.

Let me ask you, IF it had been JC who, rather than running the TD in, tried to hit Kelly behind the 4 defenders there and had either an incomplete, or a INT for a TD, would you be arguing so passionately that the rest of the team should shoulder the blame, or would we have heard the clamor for his being replaced. What if he had thrown two bad interceptions in back to back games.

That is the problem with your defense of Colt, not that the other areas weren't at fault, but that you seem to be arguing for a guy who has not proven anything, and at the same time slam JC for his perceived failings, even though JC has done nothing this preseason to show he has regressed.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Let me ask you, IF it had been JC who, rather than running the TD in, tried to hit Kelly behind the 4 defenders there and had either an incomplete, or a INT for a TD, would you be arguing so passionately that the rest of the team should shoulder the blame, or would we have heard the clamor for his being replaced. What if he had thrown two bad interceptions in back to back games.

That is the problem with your defense of Colt, not that the other areas weren't at fault, but that you seem to be arguing for a guy who has not proven anything, and at the same time slam JC for his perceived failings, even though JC has done nothing this preseason to show he has regressed.

Are you saying his constant bashing of JC has made his opinion on other QB's and who's to blame for losses somewhat suspect?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Are you saying his constant bashing of JC has made his opinion on other QB's and who's to blame for losses somewhat suspect?

LOL, yeah that pretty much sums it up.

[DBUCHANON101]

Yeah i realize you are right, lets cut this guy NOW so we can move on.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

1) our offense scored 24 points, their offense scored 20. Their defense scored 7. I think it is justifiable to say that 7 points could be viewed as the swing in the game. Especially if you add in the fact that if the int had not been thrown, we would have most likely scored at least 3 (giving our offense 27 and theirs 20)).

2) This was the first game where Mason impressed me. He held his own against the first string, and on JC's TD run he had, what I thought was a nice chip block on a penetrating defender. Add that to DT's KR's and I might be going over to the dark side of calling for keeping Mason, and letting Rock go. Mea culpa.

In the words of Hulk Hogan....."Come on over to Masonmania brother."

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

CB most definitely contributed to the loss. When he threw that INT I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. That was an extremely bad decision and it cost the team. That being said I thought he did a great job of coming back with the TD to Mitchell. Considering that any momentum we had going completely died on that play, I was pretty impressed with the way he regrouped and didn't lay down. The throw to Mitchell couldn't have been thrown any better if Brady had thrown it. Mitchell made and adjustment on that play because the defense was busted and took off toward the goal-line. Colt saw it and threw a perfect pass. Given the chance I think he'll learn and get better. Of course that's JMO.

I respectfully (potentially) disagree. In his postgame comments Colt said that he should have led the receiver more on his pick, as if the problem was that he needs to be more Superman. However, the lesson to be learned was that he never should have thrown that ball to begin with. He has made other comments in which he seems to miss the point of what is going on around him.

Some folks are too arrogant to ever learn. Look at Favre - he still sometimes makes stupid rookie throws. I hope that I am wrong about Colt but he makes few comments which lead me to believe that he has the humility to learn.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I respectfully (potentially) disagree. In his postgame comments Colt said that he should have led the receiver more on his pick. However, the lesson to be learned was that he never should have thrown that ball to begin with. Some folks are too arrogant to ever learn. Look at Favre - he still sometimes makes stupid rookie throws. I hope that I am wrong about Colt but he makes few comments which lead me to believe that he has the humility to learn.

You could be right Lotus. I guess there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Sometimes these type of things can help one see the difference, hopefully it will with Colt. I would give him more time myself. He really hasn't played alot since he's been here. He doesn't play scared (but he does need to be more cautious) and he is pretty accurate. I'm just not ready to give up on him. I think Zorn can get through to him, Hassleback has seemed pretty arrogant at times too.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You could be right Lotus. I guess there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Sometimes these type of things can help one see the difference, hopefully it will with Colt. I would give him more time myself. He really hasn't played alot since he's been here. He doesn't play scared (but he does need to be more cautious) and he is pretty accurate. I'm just not ready to give up on him. I think Zorn can get through to him, Hassleback has seemed pretty arrogant at times too.

You are correct. And I'm not giving up on him, either. I'm "concerned," though.

confidence: I can get the job done well but I'd like to do even better
arrogance: I can get the job done well so get out of my face with your criticism

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are correct. And I'm not giving up on him, either. I'm "concerned," though.

confidence: I can get the job done well but I'd like to do even better
arrogance: I can get the job done well so get out of my face with your criticism

Understandably. That was a very, very bad decision to throw that ball that went for the INT. He just needs to understand that instead of throwing it better, sometimes it's better to throw it away or not throw it at all. If he doesn't get to that point, he'll never make it as a pro QB.