Vinny tips his hand on the final 53

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

We could resolve this argument by having Haynesworth return kicks. It would revolutionize the game.

Or start another thread about the same topic where you can argue about it in a new setting? LOL.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SO Why can't we keep the guy who gives us the proven return/st ability, and also bring in the most promising of the other RBs. Why does it seemngly have to be all or nothing?

Good point. If we keep 4 backs not including Sellers. That may be a possibility. I just think if we could keep a 2 out of M.A.D. (mason, aldridge and Dorsey. We could possibly find a diamond in the rough who could possibly contribute on more than one unit.

That's my point of view.

Whether its Mason & Aldridge, Aldridge & Dorsey or Mason & Dorsey. We prepare for the future and could possibly find a replacement for Portis in a few years. So we can use our picks next year on OLs & LBs. If they dont pan out. We can draft a RB the next year. I just don't want what happened last year to happen again. Even if Portis gets hurt and Betts is still their. He will still need someone to fill in for him on some play. Also someone that can punch it in at the goal line. I just think versatility and looking to the future is key.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

SO Why can't we keep the guy who gives us the proven return/st ability, and also bring in the most promising of the other RBs. Why does it seemngly have to be all or nothing?

I'll be honest with you. It doesn't even have to be Mason so long as they have a young talent to bring up through the ranks. but I do take exception to people saying blatently ...Mason sucks. If he did the team would not have gone to the lengths they have to get him back. However since stats are important to some please locate Mason and Cartwright on this stat board which I feel is more accurate;

NFL Stats: by Player Category

I'll save you some time. Mason is 33rd on the list of rushers and Cartwright is 99th.

or try this one...

NFL Stats: by Player Category

The highest Skin on the Return list is Thomas at 23 and Cartwright is 68. My point is stats can be manipulated for whatever purpose. Since Rock has not been used as much this preseason in order to look at others lets look at last yrs stats....

NFL Stats: by Player Category

Rock was 225 on the list of Rushers for last yr. Obviously his leadership skills and tackling are carrying over to his rushing yrds. If he's such a good tackler why doesn't he fill in as Safety. I mean the team definitly needs a sure tackler in the back field.

Rock may have been 6th on ESPN's total yrds for the 08 season as a KR but NFL.com has him tied at 23 for average yrds 25.6 yrds average for every KR.

NFL Stats: by Player Category

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Or start another thread about the same topic where you can argue about it in a new setting? LOL.

NO I want to concentrate on the RB position solely and if Rock is expendable..That's why I started the thread. its more straight forward. So people can weigh in..

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'll be honest with you. It doesn't even have to be Mason so long as they have a young talent to bring up through the ranks. but I do take exception to people saying blatently ...Mason sucks. If he did the team would not have gone to the lengths they have to get him back. However since stats are important to some please locate Mason and Cartwright on this stat board which I feel is more accurate;

NFL Stats: by Player Category

I'll save you some time. Mason is 33rd on the list of rushers and Cartwright is 99th.

or try this one...

NFL Stats: by Player Category

The highest Skin on the Return list is Thomas at 23 and Cartwright is 68. My point is stats can be manipulated for whatever purpose. Since Rock has not been used as much this preseason in order to look at others lets look at last yrs stats....

NFL Stats: by Player Category

Rock was 225 on the list of Rushers for last yr. Obviously his leadership skills and tackling are carrying over to his rushing yrds. If he's such a good tackler why doesn't he fill in as Safety. I mean the team definitly needs a sure tackler in the back field.

Rock may have been 6th on ESPN's total yrds for the 08 season as a KR but NFL.com has him tied at 23 for average yrds 25.6 yrds average for every KR.

NFL Stats: by Player Category

My point exactly. Maybe I didn't convey the message clearly. But that's what I mean. By saying stats are important but there are other factors. Age, Versatily (playing on more than one unit) and running ability...Rock is 29 yrs old. Betts 29 and Portis just turned 28.

[SBXVII]

Also exactly how much does Portis and Betts contribute on special teams. Since the bench mark is how much a player contributes on special teams.

[SBXVII]

I think if the team is happy with Thomas KRing then it doesn't matter if any RB can or can not KR. No different then none of the WR's actually KRed in the past except Moss and only on an emergency basis.

[tootergray34]

if the redskins had the right idea they would pick up the damn phone and call nemo broughton. best RB ever.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I'm not getting the Aldrige love. He had one good preseason game. Did I miss something?

Vinny is high on him and he was impressive last preseason with Denver.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think the thing that is going to bother me when we do make these cuts, is when some crazy yahoos are going to be ranting about how the team is going down the shitter....and all because we cut some 3rd or 4th stringer.

lol oh yeah can't wait

[Paintrain]

Only late in the preseason can there be a 40 post debate about our 3rd and 4th string RB, lol.

Here's my take, unless Aldridge really struggles, fumbles or gets injured tonight he's on the team. He becomes a Leon Washington type player, not a true backup in the true sense of the word to replace Betts, not a 3rd on the depth chart guy lock Rock. He's a change of pace player, getting 5-8 snaps a game with the hopes that he make a big play. By Vinny saying 5 backs (including Sellers) are likely means that it will be Rock plus either Mason, Dorsey or Aldridge.

If it were purely about the 3rd RB position, then Mason would probably beat out Rock because he's a better RB than Rock is, but Rock is that guy who does a little bit of everything on ST well and you can't replace him with a guy who doesn't play ST.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

NO. I am not excluding stats. That's the thing. I am including everything. Age, Versatilty, Running Ability & Stats. Not just stats alone. Its not a question about only kick returns. Its a question of if he is that valuable that we can't use another player that could "possibly" be as good as him as a returner. Who can also contribute at anotehr position like back up running back, wr or defensive player. Him being one dimensional and not that dynamic makes him expendable. I will bet you. If devin was back there he could return punts just as well as or better. But he also plays WR too...How many times I have to explain this....

Just like I created a post about Devin Kick Returner?

Some people got waht I was saying. some were like it would never happend. then what happend the next preseason game. They tried him out a KR. But I know nothing about football. The writing is on the wall!!

Dude, I don't even know what you are saying anymore. Were you drinking heavily last night? Sounds like your drunk!

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Also exactly how much does Portis and Betts contribute on special teams. Since the bench mark is how much a player contributes on special teams.

Someone has to play special teams, so if your 3rd running back is capable that is ideal. Although I do love Rock, and I see him as more valuable than most people commenting, I wouldnt be upset to see a change. Thomas looked great last week on KR's, and I think he has real "home-run" potential. Rock does play coverage units as well, but I cant believe someone else cannot step into that role. Everytime we hear about Betts looking good, he ends up coming up lame. He is a career backup, and I feel like Mason could fill his shoes, and he is younger. I havent been as impressed with Dorsey, although Id like to see someone supplant ARE at punt returner. Id like to see Alridge playing against some 1st-2nd stringers, he looked great against the guys that wont make the team.

[SmootSmack]

I have a gut feeling that one of these four guys is going to get cut-Yoder, Sellers, Rock, Betts

I'm not advocating it, just a gut feeling.

I'll throw in Scott Burely and Doug Dutch just to feel more secure in my gut feeling

[MTK]

Yoder wouldn't be a shock, especially if they are keeping 2 TE's in order to keep a 5th back. Sellers can play some TE too so I don't think losing a 3rd TE is that big of a deal.