Zorn Makes Great Progress with New Offense Geared To Campbells Talents

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by diehard

Every team and every offense needs their RB(s) to run for 1300-1500 yards...

Not really. Last year you had a total of five running backs go over 1,300 yards. The vast majority didn't even break a 1,000 yards. The two teams that played in the Super Bowl didn't have one guy go over 800 yards.

Obviously the Redskins are put together much differently than those teams I just mentioned, but the point is we lived or died with Portis last year. And while I think we've improved some this time around, I don't see a big departure in the number of carries Portis will get.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Obviously the Redskins are put together much differently than those teams I just mentioned, but the point is we lived or died with Portis last year. .

I don't know if we lived or died with Portis last year. His rushing yards may have been more of a reflection of the offense's capabilities rather than the backbone upon which is all rested. In other words, we need to be careful between recognizing a correlation and identifying a cause and effect. Arguably, the offense didn't fail in the second half last year because Portis couldn't get going, but rather Portis couldn't get going because the line couldn't protect the passing game and opposing defenses simply stacked the box as a result.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Coff

I don't know if we lived or died with Portis last year. His rushing yards may have been more of a reflection of the offense's capabilities rather than the backbone upon which is all rested. In other words, we need to be careful between recognizing a correlation and identifying a cause and effect. Arguably, the offense didn't fail in the second half last year because Portis couldn't get going, but rather Portis couldn't get going because the line couldn't protect the passing game and opposing defenses simply stacked the box as a result.

I'll buy that too. The larger point I'm making is if Portis rushes for 800 yards last year, we're not even 8-8.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I'll buy that too. The larger point I'm making is if Portis rushes for 800 yards last year, we're not even 8-8.

Agree 100%. What i like the most is teams know we are trying the long ball so they will have to defend against it and as long as we pick the right time to throw it life will be good.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Not really. Last year you had a total of five running backs go over 1,300 yards. The vast majority didn't even break a 1,000 yards. The two teams that played in the Super Bowl didn't have one guy go over 800 yards.

Obviously the Redskins are put together much differently than those teams I just mentioned, but the point is we lived or died with Portis last year. And while I think we've improved some this time around, I don't see a big departure in the number of carries Portis will get.

Goes to show the formula for winning a Super Bowl doesn't include having a great feature back, especially one who's the higest paid player on Offense. The Steelers were getting 100 yard games from their 3rd stringer last year, Melwelde Moore. And look at who the Pats had in their backfield when they won their Super Bowls. I think the Skins would be more successful if Portis got less yards, assuming they had 1 or 2 other RBs contributing.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Goes to show the formula for winning a Super Bowl doesn't include having a great feature back, especially one who's the higest paid player on Offense. The Steelers were getting 100 yard games from their 3rd stringer last year, Melwelde Moore. And look at who the Pats had in their backfield when they won their Super Bowls. I think the Skins would be more successful if Portis got less yards, assuming they had 1 or 2 other RBs contributing.

Exactly. You bring up a good point. That's why I said we lived or died with Portis last year. Not just because of his own production, but because the workload wasn't distributed amongst the other running backs.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Exactly. You bring up a good point. That's why I said we lived or died with Portis last year. Not just because of his own production, but because the workload wasn't distributed amongst the other running backs.

I agree i've said this before we have a bunch of RB's on the bench that aren't challengeing CP there PRO bench warmers keep Aldridge and Mason cut Rock.

[Zorn on the 4th of July]

Don't forget the (huge) improvements we are likely to see simply because Zorn is returning as the head coach. The Skins' 2nd-half (semi-) collapse last season was partially due to frustration with the new head coach. Remember how many shots we saw of Portis jawing on the sidelines with Zorn? Portis was obviously (and usually rightfully) frustrated. Neither the players or the coach had been through an entire season yet, didn't know how to deal with each other, and I bet many of the players longed for the Gibbs days.

I am a Florida grad and I saw the same phenomenon with Urban Meyer during his first season in 2005. A few players left the team prior to the season, and a few more quit playing hard part-way through the season. The result was a pedestrian 9-3 record (and a bowl loss to a pitiful Michigan team).

2006 rolled around and players realized there was no going back to the old days of the "player's coach" (Ron Zook). The Gators buckled down, focused, and learned to work together and communicate (players and coaching staff). The Gators had lost a heartbreaking game in '05 to LSU that had Urban Meyer in tears in the post game as he realized his spread system was not suited to Chris Leak, a phenomenal pocket passer. 2006 saw an offense more tailored to Leak's style. Yes, Tim Tebow began to see playing time, but review the season and you will see that it was Leak's season. The result? 13-1. National Champions.

Look at the Giants. Look at the Eagles. Look at the Cowboys. Do any of these teams honestly frighten you? Look at our roster: who we have returning and who we've acquired. We no longer have a rookie coach. I will be surprised if we don't win the division outright. Shocked, even. I don't care about winning the NFC, I don't care about the Super Bowl. It's a lot of luck at that point. But if we don't win the East, I will be surprised.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Zorn on the 4th of July

Don't forget the (huge) improvements we are likely to see simply because Zorn is returning as the head coach. The Skins' 2nd-half (semi-) collapse last season was partially due to frustration with the new head coach. Remember how many shots we saw of Portis jawing on the sidelines with Zorn? Portis was obviously (and usually rightfully) frustrated. Neither the players or the coach had been through an entire season yet, didn't know how to deal with each other, and I bet many of the players longed for the Gibbs days.

I am a Florida grad and I saw the same phenomenon with Urban Meyer during his first season in 2005. A few players left the team prior to the season, and a few more quit playing hard part-way through the season. The result was a pedestrian 9-3 record (and a bowl loss to a pitiful Michigan team).

2006 rolled around and players realized there was no going back to the old days of the "player's coach" (Ron Zook). The Gators buckled down, focused, and learned to work together and communicate (players and coaching staff). The Gators had lost a heartbreaking game in '05 to LSU that had Urban Meyer in tears in the post game as he realized his spread system was not suited to Chris Leak, a phenomenal pocket passer. 2006 saw an offense more tailored to Leak's style. Yes, Tim Tebow began to see playing time, but review the season and you will see that it was Leak's season. The result? 13-1. National Champions.

Look at the Giants. Look at the Eagles. Look at the Cowboys. Do any of these teams honestly frighten you? Look at our roster: who we have returning and who we've acquired. We no longer have a rookie coach. I will be surprised if we don't win the division outright. Shocked, even. I don't care about winning the NFC, I don't care about the Super Bowl. It's a lot of luck at that point. But if we don't win the East, I will be surprised.

I do care about the Super Bowl, but I like your style brother!

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Zorn on the 4th of July

Don't forget the (huge) improvements we are likely to see simply because Zorn is returning as the head coach. The Skins' 2nd-half (semi-) collapse last season was partially due to frustration with the new head coach. Remember how many shots we saw of Portis jawing on the sidelines with Zorn? Portis was obviously (and usually rightfully) frustrated. Neither the players or the coach had been through an entire season yet, didn't know how to deal with each other, and I bet many of the players longed for the Gibbs days.

I am a Florida grad and I saw the same phenomenon with Urban Meyer during his first season in 2005. A few players left the team prior to the season, and a few more quit playing hard part-way through the season. The result was a pedestrian 9-3 record (and a bowl loss to a pitiful Michigan team).

2006 rolled around and players realized there was no going back to the old days of the "player's coach" (Ron Zook). The Gators buckled down, focused, and learned to work together and communicate (players and coaching staff). The Gators had lost a heartbreaking game in '05 to LSU that had Urban Meyer in tears in the post game as he realized his spread system was not suited to Chris Leak, a phenomenal pocket passer. 2006 saw an offense more tailored to Leak's style. Yes, Tim Tebow began to see playing time, but review the season and you will see that it was Leak's season. The result? 13-1. National Champions.

Look at the Giants. Look at the Eagles. Look at the Cowboys. Do any of these teams honestly frighten you? Look at our roster: who we have returning and who we've acquired. We no longer have a rookie coach. I will be surprised if we don't win the division outright. Shocked, even. I don't care about winning the NFC, I don't care about the Super Bowl. It's a lot of luck at that point. But if we don't win the East, I will be surprised.

Very nice read but the SB is important but i to would be very suprised if we didn't win the division. HTTR.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Exactly. You bring up a good point. That's why I said we lived or died with Portis last year. Not just because of his own production, but because the workload wasn't distributed amongst the other running backs.

Good Point! Betts is a good back up and he should get alot more carries this year. Portis won't get so banged up that way and we can have him healthy for our playoff push this year.

[RiggoRanger]

I'm still waiting to see this deep ball that JC is supposed to be so good at throwing. He's been 1/4 in the preseason, and he was routinely missing receivers all of last year and the year before.

I'm glad that Zorn will open things up more for JC, but I'll be happier to see JC not over or under throwing wide-open receivers.