play calling???

[Bucket]

CP hasn't lsot a step.. That 34 yard gain was on the short side of the field, and if any of you have ever run the ball at a college level (d2) then you would know that it's not that simple to break away ont he short side of the field.

AP is probally the only back in the NFL that would of broken that all the way, and he would of had to break the 2 DB tackles first. They were playing soft coverage, and he wasn't able to break through the 2nd level.

[redskin4n]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Also besides the nice catch on the improvisation by Campbell what has Betts done? I would put Mason in place of Betts and see what happens.

I bet a million that if betts got the 1st we wouldve been praising JC. Let it be known he had some space but the Midgets DL are monstrous.lol

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I respectfully disagree. The play calling was horrendous. We ran on every first down but two until our final possession. We ran left 90% of the time when we ran. We ran stretch after stretch after stretch. The WR screen to the short side of the field at the 6 lard line on 2nd and goal was beyond terrible.

I'm convinced the formula for an effective offense is 65:35 pass, Campbell primarily from the shotgun. He was 14-17, 171, TD against the Giants from the gun. I am going to try to track that over the 1st half of the season and see how it bears itself out and if Zorn recognizes it as well and adjusts accordingly.

OMG I had somehow forgotten this. Watched the game w/ a group of friends, all huge football fans though mostly not Skins fans, and the room went completely silent for about 5 seconds when we saw that play cuz it left everyone speechless. I took me a while before I could scream WTF at the tv! Does anybody have the first clue what Zorn was thinking when he called this play?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Boom! Now if our O-line could hit that hard we'd be in business!

[insideman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

does zorn realize that you do whatever you need to do to score points? sometimes that means you have imbalance in your play calling. run or pass. he's such an idiot. he needs to be a qb coach and not a head coach/offensive coordinator.

Well in my opinion unless he just quites, he will be fired before the season is over. I feel he has no leadership skills that is needed in this league, to lead this team. Also in my opinion he seems and acts as though he is afraid to just let him men go out onto the field of honor and play football. He says he has confidence in his team but boy sure as hell doesn't show it.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Bucket

CP hasn't lsot a step.. That 34 yard gain was on the short side of the field, and if any of you have ever run the ball at a college level (d2) then you would know that it's not that simple to break away ont he short side of the field.

AP is probally the only back in the NFL that would of broken that all the way, and he would of had to break the 2 DB tackles first. They were playing soft coverage, and he wasn't able to break through the 2nd level.

Ive went back and watched the replay about 5 times,and i amend my statement that 1/2 the backs would have broken it for a td,that was a ridiculous statement.However,I do think Portis has lost a step from the pounding hes taken the last few yrs,and Im still disapointed that he doesnt look like the back we thought we were getting.His longest runs have went down every yr sine he got here.That 34 yrd run was his longest since 2005,{which contradicts what Ive said about losing a step}but that hole was so big he was barely touched till he was tackled.Is it the off lines fault? I dont know.I do know that I would love to be proven wrong by Portis and you can rub it in my face all day long,cause if Im proven wrong then its helping the skins win which is what we all want
{oh,and it wasnt the short side of the field,just the opposite}

[dmvskinzfan08]

Thinking about the game right now. Would it have been better if Jason ran the no huddle/shotgun during the Giants game. We could have worn out their DLine and they woulnd't have been able to make subsitutions. This is definitely an approach we should take because for the past few years he has looked productive when we run the offense like that and also its a good approach to take because he can se things quicker and take off if needed and also like I said if we are going up against a killer Dline it tires them out and they are not able to make subsitutions.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Thinking about the game right now. Would it have been better if Jason ran the no huddle/shotgun during the Giants game. We could have worn out their DLine and they woulnd't have been able to make subsitutions. This is definitely an approach we should take because for the past few years he has looked productive when we run the offense like that and also its a good approach to take because he can se things quicker and take off if needed and also like I said if we are going up against a killer Dline it tires them out and they are not able to make subsitutions.

I hope Zorn is open to the idea considering the G-Men have own us for so long now. I agree no or hurry offense will stop them from running in frsh D-Linemen and hopefully tire them late in the game.

[skins89moss]

I think Zorn also needs to use the screen pass to our backs more when we face agressive pass rushers. I see other teams using the screen pass and it sure is effective when called at the right time. Timing is everything in football but the screen will slow down the pass rushers some.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Thinking about the game right now. Would it have been better if Jason ran the no huddle/shotgun during the Giants game. We could have worn out their DLine and they woulnd't have been able to make subsitutions. This is definitely an approach we should take because for the past few years he has looked productive when we run the offense like that and also its a good approach to take because he can se things quicker and take off if needed and also like I said if we are going up against a killer Dline it tires them out and they are not able to make subsitutions.

Yes. I said this all last year. I thought a little no huddle here and there, especially when the O line was taking a beating last year, would have kept Defenses at bay. The Bills used it effectively against the Pats.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Thinking about the game right now. Would it have been better if Jason ran the no huddle/shotgun during the Giants game. We could have worn out their DLine and they woulnd't have been able to make subsitutions. This is definitely an approach we should take because for the past few years he has looked productive when we run the offense like that and also its a good approach to take because he can se things quicker and take off if needed and also like I said if we are going up against a killer Dline it tires them out and they are not able to make subsitutions.

This is a great point, and I think it could have helped. Someone else mentioned that the Giants only had 3 CB's active for the game. And thats why I have doubts about Zorn and his playcalling. Why you have 5 WR's active and dont go to more 4-5wide sets I just dont understand. If you see a weakness in the other team, I dont understand the reason why you dont take advantage of that....oh wait balance....what a load of crap.

[CRedskinsRule]

Cooley's take (with a note from CP):

"I mean, fans are the best coaches in the world," Cooley joked. "And a little bit to their credit, so are a lot of us. In hindsight, calling a game is so easy. And a lot of the things that we do [wrong] are simple mistakes to fix. In hindsight, things are great. It's so hard to do what we do. And it's not like high school football, where guys can just go out and play.

"I understand that everyone's upset, but they need to understand that this is the most important thing in our lives as well, and that we're the ones spending all the time and doing everything, and it matters. I mean, as much as it matters to any fan, to me, it's my life."

Portis was given several opportunities to demand the ball more, or to criticize Coach Jim Zorn, or to criticize the play-calling, and he didn't even come close to losing his cool. He'd have made a horrible blog commenter this week.

[franklinhimself]

When we beat Minnesota in 2007 as part of our 4-win stretch to make the playoffs Gibbs pounded the rock to wear out the Williams' Wall, and by late 3rd quarter we were running through them.
I didn't like the majority of Jim Zorn's play calling, but that pound the rock philosophy has worked before. I like Zorn's balanced approach,- at least we're not AZ who only ran the ball 34% last year. Sometimes Zorn is too balanced though, and so damn predictable.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

When we beat Minnesota in 2007 as part of our 4-win stretch to make the playoffs Gibbs pounded the rock to wear out the Williams' Wall, and by late 3rd quarter we were running through them.
I didn't like the majority of Jim Zorn's play calling, but that pound the rock philosophy has worked before. I like Zorn's balanced approach,- at least we're not AZ who only ran the ball 34% last year. Sometimes Zorn is too balanced though, and so damn predictable.

Bad example. They went to the SB last year by running the ball 34% of the time, I would be fine with that.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

When we beat Minnesota in 2007 as part of our 4-win stretch to make the playoffs Gibbs pounded the rock to wear out the Williams' Wall, and by late 3rd quarter we were running through them.
I didn't like the majority of Jim Zorn's play calling, but that pound the rock philosophy has worked before. I like Zorn's balanced approach,- at least we're not AZ who only ran the ball 34% last year. Sometimes Zorn is too balanced though, and so damn predictable.

We also raced out to a 25-0 nothing lead in that game by thowing 3 touchdown passes in the first half.

The "pounding the rock" philosophy worked when we had John Riggins, but those days are long gone. We don't have a running back remotely close to his style, and we certainly don't have the same type of offensive line. Most people don't know this, but after Riggins left, Gibbs and the Redskins had become a passing team, and, in fact Gibbs as an offensive coordinator for San Diego under Don Coryell was as wide open and wild as an offense has ever been. It was only after Gibbs came here that he recognized his personnel wasn't suited for that type of scheme and adapted to the players he had.

Zorn needs to do the same thing, because clearly this offense has no idea what it's supposed to be.