Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just got through the tape.

Hey GTripp can you tell us what you saw from Kelly? I'm still confused why they didn't look for him very much? Was it simply because the middle of the field options were working so well?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Hey GTripp can you tell us what you saw from Kelly? I'm still confused why they didn't look for him very much? Was it simply because the middle of the field options were working so well?

Best as I can tell, Kelly was just not a huge part of the gameplan.

He played more than Thomas, but he was not in on the scoring drive at the end of the 4th quarter, and the halftime adjustment Zorn made basically put the passing game between the numbers. Consider that most of our offensive plays came after half, and well, that's the reason.

Kelly ran a LOT of drag routes in this game, got open once, and made a nice third down catch.

Hopefully, he'll be a bigger part of the gameplan next week.

[GTripp0012]

The other factor, is that Campbell still has a major rapport with Randle El, one that he clearly does not have with either Kelly or Thomas. With Randle El completely schooling Terrell Thomas all game long, the ball was coming out quickly most of the game.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That's simply not true. Kelly was open a number of times but Campbell either overthrew him, didn't see him, or was locked on to Cooley or ARE. Now, ARE got us quite a few yards, so i'm not criticizing that, but Kelly was doing his job and getting open. Maybe not on every play, but no one gets open on every play. Kelly did his job. ARE did his job. Cooley did his job. Our offensive line did their job. I can't definitively say that about any other offensive player.

Just about every time I saw Kelly he was blanketed.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kelly ran a LOT of drag routes in this game, got open once, and made a nice third down catch.

Hopefully, he'll be a bigger part of the gameplan next week.

This is what I don't get? Why are we running Kelly towards the center of the field in the first place in a game unfolding like this? Randel El and Cooley were doing great in the middle.

Kelly is perfectly suited for the eight yard hook. Throw him a comeback. He showed that skillset in the preseason. Spread the field wide.
The safety coverage was obviously shifted towards Moss so there is a clear stress point to exploit intermediate wide patterns for the #2 WR yet we didn't try it one time.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Just about every time I saw Kelly he was blanketed.

That's what I am worried about. If the #2 is getting blanketed in a very favorable matchup that is just unacceptable.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

This is what I don't get? Why are we running Kelly towards the center of the field in the first place in a game unfolding like this? Randel El and Cooley were doing great in the middle.

Kelly is perfectly suited for the eight yard hook. Throw him a comeback. He showed that skillset in the preseason. Spread the field wide.
The safety coverage was obviously shifted towards Moss so there is a clear stress point to exploit intermediate wide patterns for the #2 WR yet we didn't try it one time.

Plus why didn't the team set up and use quick slant routes for Moss. It's just another way to get him the ball and a few yrds.

My other issue the team should have been coaching up someone to fill Moss's shoes if needed. Whether it's injury or he's being taken out of the game by double teams. Had Kelly or Mitchell been coached up in Moss's routes and put the bigger more solid physical WR might have helped against the double teams.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

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I definitely remember him doing it (giving up on a play) on "one" of Collins picks in the playopffs game against Seattle.

Speaking of this game. This is the last time I saw Landry play lights out.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by FREE-AG3NT

I'm not saying Cambell played a great game but Cooley single-handedly lost the wildcard game against the Seahawks. Tell me whats worse, a rusty first game against a divisional rival on the road or missing an easy first down catch that stalled a great fourth quarter comeback?
I remember Cooley made the pro bowl that year and it looked like he had a black eye. I wonder which teamate decked him for missing that catch?

Oh I guess those picks Collins threw were a non-factor?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ya know your 100% correct. I'm almost missing Norv Turner at this point. He atleast got us to the play offs frequently. It's a crying shame when I'm starting to think that way.

I was actually thinking that the other day. We went downhill from there for Danny's knee jerk reaction. Look at San Diegos offense under him.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

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I definitely remember him doing it (giving up on a play) on "one" of Collins picks in the playopffs game against Seattle.

Speaking of this game. This is the last time I saw Landry play lights out.

I still haven't forgiven Moss for that. It was the playoffs, for gosh sake. And that pick was returned for the score that sealed the game.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I was actually thinking that the other day. We went downhill from there for Danny's knee jerk reaction. Look at San Diegos offense under him.

You mean the SD Chargers that were 8-8 last year, and had one of the worst defenses and whose offense played 6 games against 3 teams whose defenses ranked in the bottom 10 last year. The ones who under Marty were 14-2, and now nearly lost to Oakland. Yeah, lets here it for Norv.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I was actually thinking that the other day. We went downhill from there for Danny's knee jerk reaction. Look at San Diegos offense under him.

You mean the SD Chargers that were 8-8 last year, and had one of the worst defenses and whose offense played 6 games against 3 teams whose defenses ranked in the bottom 10 last year. The ones who under Marty were 14-2, and now nearly lost to Oakland. Yeah, lets here it for Norv. I don't think SD fans would be all that sad if Norv were to leave (don't know that just sorta believe they gotta be tired of him by now).

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'm not questioning Moss's ability, just his attitude. Someone has to step up. What if he goes down? Who takes his position?

Agreed. Moss has made great play for us. But he has to do that allof the time. Even if he can't make plays all the time. He still has to keep his mind in the game. One that play I woulnd't fault him totally. But in football. I fyou can't catch the ball. You make sure no one else does. If he had a made a strogner play on the ball or even touched dude he wouldn't have gotten his feet down. because he parely did. It was a good defenseive play. But like I said this isn't the first time I've seen Moss do this. I have seen him pout on the field. ON the post game interview. He was in the locker room with his head down. ARE and Cooley had career high catches last year. Moss didn't have a very productive year and ARE had a good game besides that bone head play at the beginning of the game.

I love Moss. But he does act like a diva sometimes and as the number 1 receiver. You can't take plays off. I htink his skill is unquestionable. But his mental game is brittle. I honestly think Webster was messing with his head and took him out the game. Before and after the fight.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just got through the tape and can safely tell you that you've jumped to a lot of unfounded conclusions based around a single unfounded premise (i.e. Campbell had a terrible game, and subsequent ad homenim attacks).

Good point. Dont make analysis on a game when you only saw it once and are extremely upset. You have to go back and watch the game again. Tivo and DVR will change your mind on a few things when you look at the game again. Somethign I noticed was that on that play when Campbell fumbled. He should have step up and was trying to when the ball got stripped. But I also saw Samuels getting used by a simple shoulder shake move. It was like DE literally shook him off. lol. Campbell needs to step up quicker tho.

But back to what I was saying earlier. Tivo and DVR are your friend when it comes to analyzing a game after watching it the first time